Comments on: De-Christianizing

By: Neece

Neece — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:55:46 +0000

Thank you for sharing, Don. I wonder if they noticed the subtle message? I hope they did, and that it planted a seed of reason!

By: DonP

DonP — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:44:08 +0000

Neece, I want to share our (my wife and me) recent de-Christianizing action. Invited to the Baptism of our second Granddaughter (after being excluded from the Baptism of the first one due to our non-Catholic position), we attended the celebration (even though we missed most of the ceremony itself while taking care of the other Granddaughter), and acted always in a very polite way, taking the occasion as a naming ceremony and a family reunion. But the big point was the selection of the present: a silver heart, with a card wishing: “May Love guide your life, always in search of the Truth”. No doubt it was very different to all the crosses, Bibles, rosaries and other religious oriented articles the baby received. We hope, some day it would make a difference.
That action was not only an attempt to de-Christianizing our daily routines, it was an effort to de-Christianize a Christian sacrament and ceremony. Something that should be a family/social celebration but has been appropriated by the Church. You can always hope!

By: Neece

Neece — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:26:10 +0000

Thanks for the interesting information, Anton. I always found it interesting that someone as important as christ could have his birthday party moved around to fit in with older traditions.
And not all atheists focus on learning about the history of their persecutions. I just want to be educated about history and science and other good things so that I can make informed decisions about how to view the world.

By: anton kozlik

anton kozlik — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:52:36 +0000

Neece,

All you require is the Internet and some curiousity to search out all the information you may require. Remember, history writing has been influenced by the religious for 2,000 years.

Newgrange is the oldest man-made structure in our world. The reason behind its creation was duplicated in many parts of the world by stone-age men, all to determine the timing of identical solar events, the solstices and the equinoxes.

It is a humbling experience to comprehend that stone-age men had a better idea of the cosmos and astronomy than the religious permitted to exist. My Milesian project goes back to the “thinking” of that time. I have found it refreshing and liberating.

By: anton kozlik

anton kozlik — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:19:19 +0000

Hi Neece:

I believe the most obvious case was King Constantine’s edict that decided what day would be as Christ’s birthdate. Stone Age men had been celebrating Winter Solstice for 10,000 years and since the celebration was well in place, it was “co-opted” as a suitable time for Christ’s birth date. It is particularly disturbing that “Happy Yule Time”, which has been a greeting that has been with us in the Scandinavian countries for several thousands of years, is now referred to as how the Fins say “Merry Christmas” in Finnish. They don’t even know their own heritage!

Incidentally, murdering Atheists was acceptable in Finland as late as 1918 and went “unpunished”. When my Atheist grandfather went back to Finland in 1914, he turned around and quickly returned to Canada as he feared for his life. Finnish people do not wish to know this fact from their history.

I would, however, like to make a point. Atheists of today appear to be so involved with the “nitty gritty”, need to know all the details of their particular “persecution”, that they can’t just get on with life. For some reason, they think that “gaining kowledge” is all they have to do. In effect, they are just too comfortable living within a Christian-Judeo culture to develop any culture of their own! Its like complaining that the landlord doesn’t provide enough heat in the winter but they would never think of moving somewhere else. They have got the “complaining” bit down pat. “Moving” might require them to learn how to do things differently.

My Milesian Society celebrates Anemos twice a year at the Equinoxes. Your readers may wish to read about it http://www.milesians.net

By: Neece

Neece — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:11:43 +0000

Hi Anton,
That’s basically what I’ve figured, I just don’t have the resources to back up my ideas. Thanks for clarifying!
Yes, commercializing a celebration. I guess it’s a pretty old technique.
Thanks again for commenting If you ever feel like pointing us in the direction of some more specific information or resources that show this commandeering of holidays and celebrations, I’d love to share that with people!

By: anton kozlik

anton kozlik — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:36:04 +0000

I tried to “edit” my comment.

Spring Solstice should have been Spring Equinox! Now I see that the change was made. Sorry!