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	<title>Comments on: Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense</title>
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		<title>By: Neece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I guess I did. Please don&#039;t tell anyone. I have a reputation as a hard-nosed militant atheist to uphold. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I guess I did. Please don&#8217;t tell anyone. I have a reputation as a hard-nosed militant atheist to uphold. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dickie Maxx</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Dickie Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So clearly you took the high road. Something that most people can not do. You are to be commended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So clearly you took the high road. Something that most people can not do. You are to be commended.</p>
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		<title>By: Neece</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dickie Maxx, Thanksgiving was pretty good. The food was delicious but I didn&#039;t get to bring home any leftovers which totally sucked. When the conversation among the womenfolk turned to religion, bible camp, church, pastors, etc over and over again, I just kind of zoned out or went and hung out with the men in the garage. So it was pretty good. We just kept our mouths shut and kept the peace when it came to the talk of invisible magic men in the sky. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dickie Maxx, Thanksgiving was pretty good. The food was delicious but I didn&#8217;t get to bring home any leftovers which totally sucked. When the conversation among the womenfolk turned to religion, bible camp, church, pastors, etc over and over again, I just kind of zoned out or went and hung out with the men in the garage. So it was pretty good. We just kept our mouths shut and kept the peace when it came to the talk of invisible magic men in the sky. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dickie Maxx</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Dickie Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of me has to say that I am glad they are there because that does mean you get to have a website. And I will admit my argument does look good on paper and it is hard to be tolerant of those Christians who are of the hypocritical fundie ilk. In my own life I work with a woman I would like to publicly flog on a daily basis. I do hope you found your thanksgiving to be a happy one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of me has to say that I am glad they are there because that does mean you get to have a website. And I will admit my argument does look good on paper and it is hard to be tolerant of those Christians who are of the hypocritical fundie ilk. In my own life I work with a woman I would like to publicly flog on a daily basis. I do hope you found your thanksgiving to be a happy one.</p>
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		<title>By: Neece</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dickie Maxx, I understand where you&#039;re coming from on this. You&#039;re right, they are two different arguments entirely, completely incompatible, like oil in water.

Religion is a crutch that debilitates people and keeps them weak. I think it&#039;s wonderful that you can be empathetic. I agree with you that for some cases, I try to understand that they are lost in their faith and unable to fathom a life without their god. I find I&#039;m only really tolerant of religious folk that actually walk the walk though. Like my husband&#039;s aunt.

For her mother, and the rest of the hypocritical fundie christian masses, though, I&#039;m not so tolerant or understanding. Some of the people I have to deal with are the kind of christian fundamentalist hypocrites that I simply despise. They spread intolerance, hate, bigotry, and all other kinds of nastiness. Completely unacceptable.

If all christians were like my husband&#039;s aunt, I wouldn&#039;t have this website. They&#039;d do their thing, I&#039;d do mine, and that would be that. It&#039;s the other kind that I feel I have to go up against, battling their lies and misinformation with facts, truth, science, logic and common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dickie Maxx, I understand where you&#8217;re coming from on this. You&#8217;re right, they are two different arguments entirely, completely incompatible, like oil in water.</p>
<p>Religion is a crutch that debilitates people and keeps them weak. I think it&#8217;s wonderful that you can be empathetic. I agree with you that for some cases, I try to understand that they are lost in their faith and unable to fathom a life without their god. I find I&#8217;m only really tolerant of religious folk that actually walk the walk though. Like my husband&#8217;s aunt.</p>
<p>For her mother, and the rest of the hypocritical fundie christian masses, though, I&#8217;m not so tolerant or understanding. Some of the people I have to deal with are the kind of christian fundamentalist hypocrites that I simply despise. They spread intolerance, hate, bigotry, and all other kinds of nastiness. Completely unacceptable.</p>
<p>If all christians were like my husband&#8217;s aunt, I wouldn&#8217;t have this website. They&#8217;d do their thing, I&#8217;d do mine, and that would be that. It&#8217;s the other kind that I feel I have to go up against, battling their lies and misinformation with facts, truth, science, logic and common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Dickie Maxx</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Dickie Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really have an answer for you on this one. I find for me that it helps to keep in mind the difference of the arguments we are having. The atheist argument is based on logic and science. Where their argument is based on faith. You really are debating two different things. And unfortunately neither one of you are able to switch to the others terms. 

My boyfriend and I were talking one time about why he was not religious. And he said that he was a strong enough person that he didn&#039;t need a religion as a crutch to get him though the day. And it stuck a cord with me. I looked back at my family and I could truly see how religion was a crutch that helped us get though the day. Now that I am free from religion I actually look at deeply religious folk and feel sorry for them, because I recognize they are simply not able to be strong enough to face a life based on logic and fact. 

Now I try to empathize with their position in life. And often I find myself thinking of Christians more like children who simply have not learned yet the truth about life. I guess my long winded point is when I try to empathize and look at them in this light it makes it harder to want to argue with them. There is one exception for me on this point. I will not allow my friends or family use religion to spread hate and bigotry. That is my line personally that I will not allow them to cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really have an answer for you on this one. I find for me that it helps to keep in mind the difference of the arguments we are having. The atheist argument is based on logic and science. Where their argument is based on faith. You really are debating two different things. And unfortunately neither one of you are able to switch to the others terms. </p>
<p>My boyfriend and I were talking one time about why he was not religious. And he said that he was a strong enough person that he didn&#8217;t need a religion as a crutch to get him though the day. And it stuck a cord with me. I looked back at my family and I could truly see how religion was a crutch that helped us get though the day. Now that I am free from religion I actually look at deeply religious folk and feel sorry for them, because I recognize they are simply not able to be strong enough to face a life based on logic and fact. </p>
<p>Now I try to empathize with their position in life. And often I find myself thinking of Christians more like children who simply have not learned yet the truth about life. I guess my long winded point is when I try to empathize and look at them in this light it makes it harder to want to argue with them. There is one exception for me on this point. I will not allow my friends or family use religion to spread hate and bigotry. That is my line personally that I will not allow them to cross.</p>
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