Comments on: Burden Of Proof Lies With The Claimant

By: GMNightmare

GMNightmare — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:29:06 +0000

Nobody said nothing creates something. Way to stereotypically be ignorant of what the big bang says.

Big bang states that energy existed, and stuff expanded from that. In fact, to our knowledge, energy always had and always will exist, because it can be neither created nor destroyed. Matter is energy by the way, just in case you didn’t even know that. Why energy likes to clump are called natural laws, it’s how stuff works. If you want to learn more how about you bloody look it up for a change. Actually, watch a video not created by creationists, then maybe you’ll learn a thing or two about what they theory actually says and evidence behind it.

Again, tell me again how your version goes? god magically created everything from nothing one day just because… oh, and there is absolutely no evidence of that at all. Right.

But hey, the reality is that ONLY religion says stuff came from nothing, that god created things from nothing.

But how about you think of something, of how god was in this nothingness. He existed infinitely before he created yes right? Take that into consideration, what the hell took him so long? Your argument completely defeats itself.

Again, abiogenesis is a theory of how life came from nonlife.

“The earliest of man believed in gods or spirits.”

CORRECT. That is because your religion was created by man 2000 years ago.

And as I already gave you in my other post, abiogenesis.

By: speedracer

speedracer — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:09:39 +0000

god exists because it is logical that he does. nothing cannot create something. NOWHERE in all of the world do you find things being produced from nothing. The pillars of creation create stars and planets but they use molecules from the dust and the clouds around them. no where is there a nonexistence of matter and suddenly somethings there. existence in itself is implausable. Big Bang? what other theories you got, Im sure that is not the newest one. what is? Explain 2 things. How anything got here. you can almost lose yourself in your mind if you think of the true definition of nothingness. black is not even a color in nothingness. there isnt even the concept that there are colors. where out of nothingness, because there was noone to make it and nothing cannot produce something, out of the first moments nothingness did something come from????? Thats question 1. heres 2. MAKE AN ANIMATE OBJECT OUT OF AN INANIMATE OBJECT WITH EVERY OBJECT AT YOUR DISPOSAL. thats not a question i guess. more a challenge. answer that neece. Wait a sec, popcorns ready…………. OK Im back.
those also seem very implausable theories. The earliest of man believed in gods or spirits. you are the antagonizing theory. you prove your claim. religion is that, mythology, mysticism or spiritualism but all established and passed down. your the new theory. you say earth just made itself. Who’s to say another planets not just gonna appear and block out the sun? planets just appear n shit an humans just develope. I hear thats how ferraris are made. theres this moss in italy, you just wait around. one day there’s a big bang and… AWWWWWWWWWW :):) a ferraris born. awww

By: Neece

Neece — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:57:11 +0000

The followup post is available here: http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/12/belief-unbelief-scientific-method/

By: Neece

Neece — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:56:02 +0000

Yes, exactly, Doug! There is no reason or evidence that warrants belief in a god!
In my followup post a bit ago, the only thing I would say is that if there was verifiable, scientific proof in god, it wouldn’t turn me religious. I’d agree that there was a god and believe in his existence, but if it was the god of the bible, I certainly wouldn’t worship him just because he proved his existence. He’s kind of a dick and not someone I’d choose to worship.

I too would love to see even just a mustard seed’s worth of evidence that a god exists. It certainly has yet to show itself in all this time.

By: Neece

Neece — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:51:51 +0000

Excellent points, Steve. Well said! I wholeheartedly agree.

By: Neece

Neece — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:50:18 +0000

Nice arguments, GMN. One point though, Epicurus actually lived around 270 BCE, so he’s older than the christian god. But the old testament god of Abraham and the Jews was already causing trouble in the middle east when he was alive.

You made some great points. I especially agree about religious people praying and believing that those prayers really work. You’re right, that is continual and constant. But there is no scientific evidence that prayer works in the slightest. So god fails that one. Sorry, Brian.

You’re so right, people are desperate to believe in anything, not just an invisible man in the sky who watches them take showers, etc. Just look at what’s popular on tv today, like the ghost hunters, bigfoot searches, etc.

Excellent point, as well, that we don’t disbelieve in god, because there is no god to not believe in. Just like Brian doesn’t not believe in Zeus’ godliness, because according to Brian, Zeus was never a real god. Right? Ok, maybe I worded that better in my head….

By: Doug C

Doug C — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:11:58 +0000

Brian, your response has one major flaw: you assume disbelief we atheist have is because we don’t WANT to believe. The real reason is because there is no logical reason TO believe.

You’re looking for god in nooks and crannies, anything slightly unexplainable to you is evidence of god it seems… but things unexplainable eventually become explained. Science is the study of the way things work. God is the study of how ones imagination wants things to work.

In the end, most atheist will tell you that if there was iron clad proof that God existed, that it was scientifically viable and provable then you’d find that many would turn religious.

However, no evidence – not even flimsy – has ever turned up. I would absolutely LOVE to see any evidence you have for your god.