As you know, I have recently given up and gone back to Facebook (and Twitter). Twitter is not verbose enough. I see peoples’ tweets and links on my page and I don’t follow them because I have no idea what they are about. But I find that I like Facebook. I have found friends (a lot of you from here have befriended me, which I LOVE!), and those friends put up links and stories that I then look into, which is awesome.
Recently I decided to see about finding a few friends from high school. I found one, we’ll call him Pete. We have been chatting on Facebook and it was looking like maybe we could be friends again. I was feeling pretty good about the whole thing. Well, then I mentioned that I went to a group meeting this past Sunday. I realized after mentioning it that the very name of the group would open up the discussion of religion and I tried to change the subject. I didn’t want to lose a friend before even getting him back.
The meeting I went to was for Morgantown Atheists. I’ve become rather active with them, as they are local, seem quite friendly, and hey, they’re atheists! Yay! Well, Pete immediately asked me, why am I an atheist? I started to tell him. I said that there’s no evidence for any gods. He said he had proof of god and the afterlife. I was intrigued and asked him for details, and to tell me why he is a christian, and he then told me 2 stories from his past, which have made him a believer.
He has a very unusual set of beliefs, culled together from different christian ideas, but mainly filtered down to only be the happy stuff. The stories he told were very much not happy. So I guess it makes sense for him to see the afterlife as a good thing.
As he told me more and more, I realized that if I said anything at all, to shine the light of logic and reason onto his stories and perceptions of god and the afterlife, that I’d alienate him as well as make him mad. He apparently derives great comfort from his beliefs, and I didn’t think it was appropriate to burst his bubble with talk of evidence, especially since it was clear that he felt he had more than enough proof. In fact, at one point he asked me if he had freaked me out. I had to say no, and that it wasn’t going to convert me either.The thing is, he ended the conversation and I haven’t heard from him since.
On a side note, my sisters-in-law are also very religious and on Facebook. They were in my face about god and praying and stuff until I finally reminded one of them that I refuse to pray for anyone. Right after that I started getting more atheist friends over there, thanks to you fine people, and I started sharing and posting more atheist stuff on my page. They have since stopped talking to me.
The other sister-in-law (that I didn’t confront about prayer) still comments if I put up a happy post about how lovely the weather is, but neither have chatted with me since I’ve become more vocal in my atheism on Facebook. What’s really sad is that it’s not really a great loss. I was constantly trying to stifle my irritation at them shoving their god down my throat. So now things are much less frustrating. But they’re part of my family, so it’s still sad.
Anyway, while in the middle of the conversation with Pete, I thought, hey, I’ll contact the Morgantown Atheists forum and ask for some help! I felt that I was too frustrated to not snap at Pete, so I thought maybe they could give me some objective pointers. I sent a message to them and got some great advice back. I thought I’d share it with you, so we all have it for when atheists and religious family and friends collide.
I’m sure you all have your ways to deal with this stuff. I already use a lot of this information all the time. But it just seemed particularly helpful all in one place.
First, David Mills wrote Atheist Universe
Neil offered me this advice: (I changed the beginning to sort of a list for easy reference)
Personally, I would say:
- “I’m an atheist, for the same reason that you’re an atheist, when it comes to gods like Zeus”.
- Atheism isn’t a rejection of any God, it is just the default position, the null position. I just don’t believe in magical, or supernatural, things until there is adequate evidence to support it.
- Also, I notice that people often tend to get “get stuck” into the same beliefs of their parents, be they; Christians, Hindus, Muslims (or even the followers of Zeus). Because of that, it seems to me, that all religions are just dogma perpetuated from one generation to the next. And it seems to me to be just an arbitrary accident of birth, as to which one we end up getting saddled with. I try to keep an open mind, but until I see adequate supporting evidence I’ll just keep my default position.
Don’t be surprised if your friend seems a little bi-polar with you, from day to day. I’ve gotten into the God conversation with a very close friend and I found out that his Christian friends were telling him, on some days, how great it was that he can witness to me (the atheist). But, on other days they were telling him that he should remove himself from any godless people, and/or godless influences. Personally, I think “believers” are quick to try to pigeon-hole everything into two classifications, Good and Evil. So again, don’t be surprised by him getting a little bi-polar with you.
If it is a healthy, fair and rational discussion, you should be free to bring it up in conversations, and/or ask just as many questions, as he does. It is also very helpful (in any discussion) to try to be aware of your word choices, try not to put him on the defensive. Use qualifiers like “I think”, “its my opinion”, “I’ve heard”. Try to be inclusive by saying things like “we get saddled”, “we can’t know”. If you think your statement will be too attacking (How can YOU! think that) try deflecting your “attack” into something like “how can Christians think that”. And you may want to have him, and you, both agree that it is ok to disagree, when all is said and done. Nether of you should expect to change the other’s position. Discussions like this are more about learning the other’s position (at least to a better degree) and learning about gaps your own knowledge about your own position.
To help you articulate your position, as an atheist, you should definitely read/listen to books like Atheist Universe
and Letter to a Christian Nation
(it’s a quick read). I really like Bill Maher’s movie/documentary “Religulous
” (you should be able to find it at BlockBuster or on NetFlix). You might want to recommend Religulous to your friend, it’s very funny, in places, and may be eye opening for him. I’ve changed my cell phone’s name (it’s blue tooth name) to say “U Must C Religulous”, I don’t know how often people look for other blue tooth devices, but if I’m around they see that
Neil
Beckley, WV
gotscience@verizon.net
http://www.myspace.com/99277352
Neil asked me to give his contact information in case anyone had questions, which I thought was pretty cool.
A few notes: Religulous was a great movie. I recommend it. I haven’t read the other 2 books. If you have feel free to give us a review in the comments.
I also got a short note from another group member who added:
The advice the others gave is very good, especially the David Mills Q&A that you downloaded. But don’t expect too much because in my experience most believers are coming from an emotional stance, not an evidence based one. So don’t be surprised if all the evidence in the world won’t convince him. To paraphrase Carl Sagan: “You can’t convince a believer of anything, because their belief is based on a deep seated need to believe.”
I didn’t get his permission so I won’t give his name. But it’s good stuff too, so I thought I’d share it.
If you have any thoughts on how to talk to true believers about atheism and religion, feel free to share! We can all use new techniques for these potentially difficult confrontations.
When face to face, it’s a much easier game. Ask questions. You don’t have to say a word, you don’t even have to offer much of an opinion, ask leading questions. Act completely interested, pay attention to what their saying, and lead the questions. Start incredibly simple, basic, then gradually up the ante, until they have to pose a cop-out. When they give a cop-out, simple comment like “Huh, I was hoping there would be a more concrete answer there… well what about…” and start up questions again.
After doing this quite a bit, you then have plenty of fodder to explain why your an atheist, using their own views against them. Just turn the cop-out answers, into why.
Because you ask so many questions, they are forced to think about their beliefs. They will eventually come to a point where their beliefs aren’t enough, and then you will pose your argument around where they are lacking.
This allows them to understand where you are coming from, since they themselves couldn’t give you the answer. This starts up their de-conversion, if they haven’t started already since they’ve now gone far enough to understand what’s lacking in their beliefs. Finally, it’s extremely civil and they did all the work(well, most of the work, leading questions is a hard thing to do sometimes).
On other news, glad to hear you got your relatives off your back, but it’s a shame that cost was some isolation from them. Perhaps though, they’ll still be civil around you in person no? Perhaps they are respecting you more too, if all they ever had to say to you was religious things on facebook, then perhaps they just reserve all those things and are simply left with nothing to talk to you about.
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Neece Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
I agree it’s much easier face to face. This is great advice, GMN. Thanks for sharing it. Now I just have to learn to ask leading questions.
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reggie Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pm
GMNightmare, that is great advice. Questions are a great way to engage theists and is a tactic I love to employ. It really takes care of a lot of problems and as you say, undermines their defenses to get some thinking going on in their own head. Telling someone they are wrong will just make them defend their belief. Forcing them to think about it through questions is more effective since only they can change their minds.
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Holy crap. How have I missed this group? I’ve lived in Morgantown for four years and now I’m getting ready to move away in a month. Sucks to be me!
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Neece Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:20 pm
David, that sucks! I myself just found and joined the group recently. But I am under the impression it only started up last year in about October.
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Sadly, atheists see their ‘god’ each and every time they look in a mirror…….
Simply, atheism is a religion and religion is anti-Messiah…….
DISCLAIMER: The following is written concerning the religious systems of this wicked world, not individuals. Recorded for revelation, not condemnation, in hopes there would be those who would “see” and “hear”, for all who do so will take heed unto The Call of The Only True G-D and “Come out of her, MY people”…….
“The Way of Truth is evil spoken of” because of pagan “catholicism” and her harlot pagan “christian” daughters ;-(
Their “imag”ined “jesus christ” is not The Messiah! It was some five hundred years ago that they named one head of their three-headed pagan “god”, “jesus”, during a time that has been called the “reformation”. Prior to that time there was no “j” sound in the english language…….period…….
And the pagan “christian” name of ‘jesus’ is the transliteration of The Messiah’s G-D given Hebrew birth name from the pagan catholic latin word ‘iesus’ not the pagan greek word ‘iesous’ which is recorded in all the greek transcripts from which religious “biblical” translations were made…….
And the “reformation”, the time during which the english ‘j’ sound was “imag”ined, was an aptly named time! For it was a time when “catholicism” birthed her harlot “christian” daughters ;-( Her “christian” daughters are of her substance ;-( Her substance was merely “reformed” so that her “christian” daughters might appear a bit differently outwardly, yet inwardly they remained liken unto their pagan harlot mother ;-(
“christianity” is but the byproduct of the fornicative relationship pagan “catholicism” has always had with “the god of this world”, he who is “the father of lies”, he who is “the angel of light”, “d”evil spirit that rules over this wicked world ;-(
All religious systems, muslin, jewish, buddhist, catholic, christian ,,etc,, are Anti-Messiah!
Religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
Those they clone have fought, killed and died, both near and far ;-(
And then once a week, or multiple times a day they may pray,
Yet as hypocrites they begin each new day ;-(
Days that are filled with deceit and lies,
For in a “religious system” Truth can not abide ;-(
And so the fruit of death is born of religion’s way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(
Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion!
The Messiah testified of a “wicked world”, and of His disciples being “in, not of, this world”.
John exhorted those who believed “to love not the world or it’s things” for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”!
And James testified, “whoever is a friend of this world is the enemy of G-D(Father, Great Spirit, Creator,,)”!
And “the god of this world”, “the father of lies”, “d”evil, is the author of all religious systems and has his way with those who are “of this world” because they follow their own “vain “imag”inations” ;-( And so it is that mankind’s “imag”ination is destroying and perverting Creation ;-(
And Our Father(Creator) has promised that HE “will destroy those who are destroying and perverting HIS Creation(earth, air, water, vegetation, creatures, Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, .etc.)”!
Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Only True G-D’s Call to “Come out of her, MY people”!
All who take heed unto The Only True G-D’s Call will exit “the broadway to destruction” and they will follow The Messiah on “The Way to The Truth of The Life”! They no longer will have their portion with the “catholic/christian” LIE or any other religious system of this world.
The Messiah testified, “whoever lives and believes in Me(His Teachings and Life example) shall never die.”
And then The Messiah questioned, “Do you believe this?” YES!
And you? Do you believe? Or do you believe in death?
If you believe in death, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles Do Happen! Thanks Be To “Our Father(Creator)”!
Hope is that there would be those who “come out” of the “strong delusion” that is the religious systems of this wicked world, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”.
Hope is that there would be those who believe in and receive of The Life. Hope is that there would be those who would “experience The Messiah and The Power(The Holy, Set Apart, Great Spirit) that raised Him from among the dead”.
Hope is you will, or have experienced The Miracle that is “receiving a love of The Truth”, for all who have “received a love of The Truth” will have:
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(religion) that is of this wicked world, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”(1JN5:19) indeed and Truth……. francis
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GMNightmare Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
“Sadly, atheists see their ‘god’ each and every time they look in a mirror……”
First, that is not atheism, that is certain form of satanism-the ones where it is taken as each one of us are our own gods. Get it straight.
“DISCLAIMER”
This pretty much set you up to be… well, I think you can fill in here.
“no “j” sound in the english language……period……”
There was no English language at that time… period…
And the rest is just trash. I could go line by line through it, but that would be pointless. Oh yes, you forgot to mention what religion you were fighting for there.
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Neece Reply:
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
Spoken like a “true believer”. Why do true believers always seem to use a lot of exclamation points? I’ve always wondered that.
This kind of drivel does nothing positive for your cause. Do you even know what silly things you are copying and pasting? Sigh, I sincerely doubt it.
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My how deluded atheists are ;-(
Simply, your ‘god’ is that which, or whom, you serve…….
Sadly, atheists see their ‘god’ each and every time they
look in a mirror ;-(
i had testified that prior to the time called the reformation there was no “j” sound in the english language…….period…….
Atheism responded “There was no English language at that time…….period…….”
As usual atheism will wage war against The Truth…….
Sadly, religion has had it’s way with them ;-(
Yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope…….
For Miracles do happen!
Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle
that is receiving “the love of The Truth” for they will
see The Light that reveals “the WHOLE world is under the
control of the evil one”…….
thedestructionoftheearth.wordpress.com
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Neece Reply:
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
Francis, it’s time you take your nonsense and move along. You apparently have nothing to say that even comes close to an original thought. Sadly, your brainwashing is complete.
I left the first comment up for comedic value. This comment simply shows how pathetic they both are, more than anything else.
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reggie Reply:
May 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
His writing(or copying & pasting) reminds me of that Cube guy.
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Wow. GMNightmare, I think I owe you an apology. If this is the quality of… I hesitate to call it conversation, since it’s more of a screed than anything else… Anyway, if this is the sort of interaction you have with believers who come here, it’s no wonder you respond the way you do.
Francis: you’ve just contributed a full page of nothing.
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Okay, so back on topic: talking to Believers. (Although, after that last bit… maybe I should back up a bit.)
Neil’s advice is good, particularly the bit about taking care with your word choices and including qualifiers. GMNightmare’s advice is also good, though I don’t see why that should be any harder online than it is in person.
It’s also important to find the right sort of believers; some – perhaps most – are not actually going to want to converse with you. Proselytize, lecture, assert, maybe even witness – but generally not converse. That’s especially true of the sort who are likely to drop by and post comments on an Atheism-oriented blog.
The only thing I’d add to that is that it helps to have a clear grasp of your own motivations. Do you want to examine how people can believe things that are so wholly unsupported by evidence? Do you want to strengthen and clarify your own views by exposing them to opposing arguments? Do you want to lead people away from Christianity, or even religion in general? Do you just want to make fun of anyone who’s dumb enough to come proselytize on an Atheist blog?
Some possible topics for consideration:
1. Are people inherently rational? Should they be?
2. Is belief an either/or situation, or is it possible to “kind of” believe something?
3. How do you view Christianity and/or religion? Is it something destructive / restrictive / harmful / evil? Something that inspires people to live better lives? Something essentially unimportant that many people take waaaay too seriously? Some combination or mid-point of those views?
4. If you believe it’s destructive, how much of that is the belief itself, how much of that is the organization, and how much of it is just people?
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First, find out which ‘gospel’ they believe. Jesus taught one gospel and apostate paul taught another.
Second, find out which of the 3000+ sects of christianity they ascribe to and why.
Third, ask them why there are 3000+ sects of one religion and why the hell they can’t even agree among the ‘brethren’.
Fourth, ask them which set of the commandments is the real set.
That should shut them up for a while.
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“Pure And Undefiled Religion”
“Pure religion and undefiled before G-D The Father is this, to visit the fatherless (those children who know not their Father, HE WHO is The Only True G-D, Father{Creator} of ALL) and widows(those who have not “experienced The Messiah and The Power{Our Father} that raised Him from among the dead”) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world…….” (James 1:27)
Simply, all other religion is impure and defiled…….
And notice that “pure and undefiled” religion is “oneself(individual)”, a Brother or Sister doing The Will of Our Father, led of The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit…….
Simply, corporate “religion” is pagan and of this wicked world…….
And “Brothers and Sisters” is not “religion”, for what are Brothers and Sisters if not Family?
Would not The Family of The Only True G-D, Father(Creator) of ALL, “The Body of The Messiah”, be much closer than a natural, fleshly family?
And so it is that most of those who have chosen to follow The Messiah on The Narrow Way have had to “forsake their natural father, mother, brothers, sisters” and all others who will not follow The Messiah, because they “love this wicked world and their own life in and of it”…….
The Brethren of The Messiah have “forsaken all for The Kingdom of Heaven’s sake”…….
Father Help! and HE does…….
What is declared to be “religion” today is truly the devil’s playground…….
Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion…….
Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Call of The Only True G-D to “Come Out of her, MY people”!
For they will “Come Out” of this wicked world(babylon) and it’s systems of religion, and enter into “the glorious Liberty of The Children of The Only True G-D”.
And so it is that they will no longer be of those who are destroying the earth(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures)” and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Faith, Mercy, Grace, Miracles, etc.)…….
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it’s systems of religion, for “the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one” (1John5:19) indeed and Truth…….
Truth is never ending…….
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rebzzz Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
When you pray do you say G dash D or do you dare say god or gud or gid or gwd or gad? What a stoooopid silly superstitious backward ignoramous thing to do. Get over your goofy self and get a real life. Instead of coming here forcing your pious fakery on those who know better, find someone in need of something that will cost you some money and put your ‘faith’ in action. When you sell all you have and give it to the poor, including your home, come back and impress us. What a complete dunderhead.
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Francis Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Home? Home is in Heaven…….
Here i am but a stranger and pilgrim and i have no continuing city.
Aleady sold that which i had and gave most all of it away many years ago…….
Have been on what i like to call a no-madness(nomadic) journey since ‘87.
When i’m ready i know the jurney will end and i’ll be taken Home…….
Free! Forever free from the “I” in me…….
Father Help! and HE does…….
So it is that The Brethren of The Messiah rejoice as they suffer the loss of all things…….
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rebzzz Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Well, just continue your journey and drop us a card from time to time. How long did it take you to memorize the usual religious mumbo jumbo? I intend to enjoy my life, my family and friends in the here and now. I don’t want any part of the catching away of the ’saints’ when the bible clearly says that they return with jayzus to chop the sinners to death as part of their reward. He then sets those who faithfully followed him over the nations to “rule over them with a rod of iron”. Hmmm, that sounds like Hitler and the plan for the new world order. He is surely a chip off the old blockhead and I will not serve a child raping human butchering bastard. You can have it. The bible is the blueprint for a NWO and has been used throughout history for the same purpose. Thanks to self-serving fools like you, this time it may come to pass and you will get the shock of your life.
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Who fed the troll?
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Quite obvious that religion has had it’s way with you…….
Simply, sad for you and all others who have been braindirtyed by both the secular and religious educational processes that are of this world ;-(
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You lop eared hypocritical knucklehead. Don’t you know better than to judge others? I would say that you are the sad one and obviously in great need of attention. Please everyone, pay attention to Francis and maybe it will go far away and carry the gospel to other freaks. Francis, you might work on your spelling and punctuation.
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Francis Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Quite obvious that religion has had it’s way with you…….
Simply, sad for you and all others who have been braindirtyed by both the secular and religious educational processes that are of this world ;-(
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Can you speak English for just a few moments? Or what, did you think incoherent babble actually makes points? Only preachers who cannot comprehend what they are saying make sentence after sentence with no point in each one and no followup.
First off, secular isn’t religious by definition. Second, you learned from the educational process of this world. Third, your just practicing yet another brand of religion.
What, do you think your unique? Are you the only one doing it right? Thus 1 person, you goes to heaven and everybody else loses? Ah, such egotism… not to mention ludicrous. Or are you just going with another crowd as already declared?
Your home is not heaven. You have never been there, you cannot claim such, and you have no guarantees as such. Your home is Earth, and unfortunately, your too disillusioned to notice and take advantage of the wonderful home you are in. What god would grant you some paradise when you don’t even consider this wondrous Earth good enough for you to claim it as a home? For that matter, why are you so assured you get to go to heaven? The answer is, you don’t. For you have forsaken those you should be caring about, and just as you have forsaken them you will be forsaken… Such greed, such ignorance. All you care about is your own petty afterlife? How shallow. You think a god will accept when you tell him you lived your whole life only to try to get into heaven, he’ll just deny you for your complete selfish greed?
You haven’t sold everything. You obviously still have ties to the internet, for shame! Sell the rest of your stuff, move out into the woods away from people. You must cut your ties! Forsake everything! The promise of heaven is too great not to do this! Quick, leave your need of this internet devil, and never return to bother us. Oh, forsake water too, no need to have such earthly addictions!
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Francis you need professional help. I hope you have people who care enough for you to see you get it. Good luck.
BTW, any monster proclaiming to be a just god who would create a burning hell can go burn in it his sorry self. Thomas Paine wrote “serving a mean god makes a mean man”. Truer words have never been spoken but I will go either further and say that religious fanaticism is the leading cause of insanity. You have more than proven that point.
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Francis Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
You most certainly have proven that religion has had it’s way with you ;-(
Braindirtyed to the utmost ;-(
Once again:
That which, what or whom you seek to serve is your ‘god’…….period…….
And yes, even athiests serve their ‘god’!
For they are of the mutitudes who see their ‘god’ each and every time they view their reflection in a mirror ;-(
Your chosen life’style’ is your religion…….period…….
Sadly the multitudes have chosen to be braindirtyed ;-(
And the braindirtyed are destroying Creation(water, air, land, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Grace, Mercy, Faith, Hope, Wisdom,,, perverting all that is Truly Good) ;-(
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GMNightmare Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“First, that is not atheism, that is certain form of satanism-the ones where it is taken as each one of us are our own gods. Get it straight.”
Just because you leave after a while doesn’t mean you get to repeat the same garbage that I already refuted.
An atheist doesn’t seek to serve some being… period.
You are perhaps, the most braindead.
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Francis Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Truth is even athiests serve their personal g-d…….
Yet all humanoids who do not serve The ONE and Only True G-D, Father(Creator) of ALL, serve their own personal version of a g-d ;-(
That which, what or whom you seek to serve above all else is your version of a ‘god’…….period…….
And all the braindirtyed have their portion in the destruction of Creation(water, air, land, vegetation, creatures) and the perversion of that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Grace, Mercy, Faith, Hope, Wisdom,,, perverting all that is Truly Good) ;-(
As for me, soon and very soon it will be Home, Home at last!
Till then, Father Help! and HE does…….
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Who I choose to follow is none of your damn business you messed up freak. As for those who do not care about this earth or all who live on it, you religious goons are the guilty ones. You love war so you can each destroy one another in the names of your idiotic gods, including innocent children and unborn babies. War does more than destroy human life, it also destroys the plants, animals, the soil and the entire environment even to the air we all breath. You nutjobs don’t give a great goddamn because you think jayzuz is coming to get you and throw this old sinful world into the lake of fire. You talk out of both sides of your ugly face. Earlier you on and on rambling about this not being your ‘home’ and the devil rules this wicked world. Make up your stupid mind. I wish there would be some sort of rapture for you and you would get the hell off our planet NOW! If the holy nutjobs were suddenly gone the rest of us could live in peace and begin to heal this planet you fools have nearly destroy with your fucked up holy wars. You and your kind are what is wrong with this entire world. If you’re not on drugs you are doing one hell of a great imitation of a stoner. I imagine your problem is you are so messed up mentally and ugly as homemade sin and no man in his right mind would touch you with a ten foot pole. Maybe if you tie a porkchop around your neck at least you could get a dog to follow you, if he is starving.
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Francis Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Thank you for your comment.
Simply, sad for you ;-(
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OK people, what we see here in sister francis from the group home is just what is to be expected of the “brain dirtyied” mind of a phallic worshiper, as that is the origin of all manmade religions but these boogerheads haven’t a clue. Let us therefore completely ignore the sad looney and perhaps she will get off her fat ass and go proclaim the good news elsewhere. I just pity the next forum that has to read the completely idiotic drug induced comments she makes. Most likely she will just nasty away like all bacteria.
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Sorry for letting the troll comment so many times. I was away from my computer for the day. Hopefully it’s taken care of now.
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Hopefully, she was put back in her strait jacket and returned to the padded cell. I almost feel sorry for her except she chooses insanity. To quote dear departed Franis…”simply sad for her”.
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