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		<title>I Didn&#8217;t Get Struck By Lightning</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I didn&#8217;t get struck by lightning when I went to church this morning. But I do feel like I&#8217;m catching a cold from the exposure to all those christian strangers. I guess I&#8217;ve been smote by the rhinovirus of GOD! The first thing I noticed was 2 cops directing traffic. Butch commented on taxpayer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ceilingcatand128653678572488809.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-3059" title="ceiling cat and basement, cat the early years" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ceilingcatand128653678572488809-450x314.jpg" alt="" width="398" height="278" /></a>So I didn&#8217;t get struck by lightning when I went to church this morning. But I do feel like I&#8217;m catching a cold from the exposure to all those christian strangers. I guess I&#8217;ve been smote by the rhinovirus of GOD!</p>
<p>The first thing I noticed was 2 cops directing traffic. Butch commented on taxpayer resources being used for such a purpose, but they were definitely needed. This was a big church with lots of cars. The building looks more like a school than a church, if you ask me.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where we went: <a href="http://www.chestnutridgechurch.com/" target="_blank">Chestnut Ridge Church</a>. None of us got a good estimate of how many seats there were. It was set up like a theater with a big stage, a 6 piece pop music band, 2 giant screens where they put the words to the songs and the bible verses from the sermon, and movie theater seating. The control booth is state of the art, like you&#8217;d find for a rock concert.Free coffee was served before people went in and each seat had a cup holder like in a movie theater. There were no crosses, no crucifixes, no representations of Jesus at all, nothing that made it seem church-like. It was very casual, very relaxed.</p>
<p>Everyone was very pleasant and nice. We had to shake hands and everyone made eye contact. Children were all well behaved and not too many babies cried much. The TV monitors counted down to the start, then they just basically began with a rundown of the schedule, then everyone said hi to their neighbor then 3 or 4 songs which people were encouraged to sing to, with the karaoke lyrics on the screens.</p>
<p>People seemed to enjoy the music which was very loud. The audience had very little lighting, just enough for me to see my notebook and for people to see if they wanted to get up. But the stage had concert lighting including a smoke machine. The babies didn&#8217;t seem upset by the incredibly loud music and the bass was really cranked up on the drums. People seemed to enjoy it but no one got &#8220;into the spirit&#8221; or did anything crazy, just a bit of keeping time and singing, stuff like that, maybe a bit of clapping when prompted.</p>
<p>We guessed the seating to be around 1500 but that&#8217;s a very rough guess. It was about 85-90% full, mostly young people (teens to 30&#8242;s, as a rough guess), about 99.9% white. One of my heathen friends saw one black man in African garb in the parking lot when we were going in. Other than that, I only saw white people. Then again, West Virginia is very white if I recall the statistics, so it doesn&#8217;t mean too much.<span id="more-3058"></span></p>
<p>But remember how small our area is. Sure, Morgantown isn&#8217;t too small, and the college kids are back for the fall semester, but this is outside of town, and I am just amazed that they had so many seats filled. One thing my friend Joe noticed was not too many older people. But we went to the 11 am service. Maybe the 9 am service catered more to older folk.</p>
<p>So there was about 25 &#8211; 30 minutes of singing, which was basically teaching everyone how unworthy they are without God and how much they need him to fill their hearts. And give thanks for Jesus sacrificing himself on the cross and having that bad weekend for us. The band was really good, actually. The two singers had great voices, especially the woman, and the guitar player had mad skillz. The drums were really loud but I think that was intentional to help &#8220;move&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Some of the songs. The words in quotes are actual lyrics from the TV screens:</p>
<ul>
<li>Your Grace is Enough: positive song reminding God to &#8220;remember your promise&#8221;</li>
<li>We Cry Out: repent and ask for mercy</li>
<li>Glory of it All: he came for redemption to save us all; he forgives.</li>
<li>Unnamed song: a song about having secrets and fear. &#8220;his blood can cover us&#8221; (ew!)</li>
</ul>
<p>After the singing, the pastor came out. Like the first guy who seemed to be the master of ceremonies, the pastor was rather unassuming, casually dressed and rather mellow. He seemed humble, in a way, but that might not be the best word to describe him. He preached for about 30 minutes and the message was generally emotional.</p>
<p>There was no substance or anything you could sink your teeth into with what he said. It was all intangible and boiled down to the fact that you&#8217;re useless without Jesus, who came to save everyone so you don&#8217;t have to bear your burden alone. Just ask him into your heart. He said that you&#8217;ll probably still have the same burdens &#8211; which I found interesting &#8211; but that you&#8217;ll also have Jesus. Gee, thanks. Now I have a freeloader and a burden.</p>
<p>It was all very wishy-washy and pleasant. Extremely watered down. Kind of like Christian Homeopathy.</p>
<p>Here are some of the things the pastor said. I wrote them down word for word to share with you:</p>
<ul>
<li>John 10:10 (NASB, NIV), Psalm 23</li>
<li>Isaiah 40:30-31 (rest of bible from NIV)</li>
<li>Matthew 11:28-30</li>
<li>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think life is supposed to be a burden.&#8221;</li>
<li>Galatians 2:20a &#8211; crucified in christ. I no longer live, but christ lives in me&#8230;</li>
<li>&#8220;God wants to give you more than you can handle.&#8221; (so that you&#8217;ll let go of your burden and let christ into your heart)</li>
<li>&#8220;When you put your faith in christ, you get a new identity.&#8221;</li>
<li>Luke 10:38-42 &#8211; the story of Martha and Mary. Moral of the story, don&#8217;t be a Martha!</li>
<li>&#8220;Christians are so busy working for christ, serving christ, they don&#8217;t worship him anymore.&#8221;</li>
<li>If you&#8217;re a Martha you&#8217;re hard to live with. You&#8217;ve forgotten how to live.</li>
<li>Colossians 2:6a &#8211; live in Jesus</li>
<li>John 15:5-8 &#8211; the vine and branches parable. You can&#8217;t do a single spiritual thing without christ.</li>
<li>But Jesus&#8217; parables make one point, don&#8217;t take them too far. When Jesus talks about the bad branches being cut off and thrown in the fire, that&#8217;s not about going to hell. (This was his only reference to hell or any kind of punishment and he made sure that we knew that wasn&#8217;t what was meant)</li>
<li>John 15:7 (again, just so you get it)</li>
<li>&#8220;The burden you carry might remain the same. But now you&#8217;ll have Jesus.&#8221;</li>
<li>Homework for the week: Am I Striving or Living? Striving is struggling and judging others. Living is only done through christ and is effortless and happy.</li>
<li>&#8220;There&#8217;s a joy that comes when you get this.&#8221; (when you start living and stop striving, when you accept Jesus into your heart)</li>
</ul>
<p>In essence, I felt he was saying you have to hand over your responsibility to christ. You can&#8217;t be a whole person without Jesus. And God will make your life harder until you crack and let Jesus in. But that&#8217;s just me seeing it from my heathen perspective.</p>
<p>A few more things. When they asked for money, they actually passed around cheap buckets! The people sitting to our right put in a $20 bill, and one of our group saw someone else put in a check for $40. I put in my envelope of quotes, and Butch put his in too. A couple others in our group also did the envelope trick. They basically only asked for money from the regulars. They said if we were just visiting we didn&#8217;t need to feel obligated to donate. See below for what Butch and I wrote. In the service the pastor mentioned that the church wasn&#8217;t doing as well as they had hoped. But I think that was a lie. They looked like they were raking it in, and everything was top notch. On the website, I think they said the church cost $12 million. Tax free, though. Of course.</p>
<p>Only one short prayer, and no communion, I noticed. And no baptism or mention of either. But they have many other services, some where they &#8220;study&#8221; the bible, some for adults, college kids (we have a great university here in Morgantown &#8211; go Mountaineers!), teens, kids, etc. They also have counseling and an art program. They really do want you to feel like part of a community, it seems, although the service we went to was more like a rock concert. Their other services sound like they are tailored to connect to people.</p>
<p>After the service, there was something called the Mix out front. There was inflatable naked twister, a badminton net, hamburgers and hot dogs being grilled, a football to throw around, all for teens and college kids. Ok, it wasn&#8217;t naked twister. But it was inflatable. lol.</p>
<p>I have to say, if I had to go to a church, I&#8217;d pick one like this. Everyone was so nice, but it didn&#8217;t seem fake or forced. No one seemed too fervent or angry. It was just so damned pleasant. Of course, my little Grinch heart, blackened by years of godlessness couldn&#8217;t handle it and I was itching to get out of there, but that&#8217;s just me being me, the typical curmudgeonly atheist.</p>
<p>There was nothing negative, no hell-fire, no hatred or bigotry displayed, no fundamentalism. This church seemed to really focus on being a nice, casual place to hang out, be part of a community of like-minded people, and be a generally nice person.</p>
<p>While I didn&#8217;t enjoy myself I am glad I went and experienced it. It was definitely interesting and enlightening. I can certainly see the appeal of a church like this over what I had when I was a kid.</p>
<p>Here are the quotes I put in my envelope and gave instead of a donation:</p>
<ul>
<li>I don’t want to believe, I want to know. Carl Sagan</li>
<li>Scientia Vincere Tenebras (Science will defeat darkness)</li>
<li>I have no need for a religion. I have a conscience.</li>
<li>If God’s love is unconditional, then why does Hell exist?</li>
<li>I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.</li>
</ul>
<p>Here&#8217;s what Butch wrote:<br />
Thank you for reaffirming my atheism. Sorry there&#8217;s no money. From the look of things, you don&#8217;t need it, so you&#8217;ve got that going for you. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Have a great life,<br />
An Atheist</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/29/psalm-1379-and-dealing-with-religious-relatives/" title="Psalm 137:9 and Dealing With Religious Relatives &#8211; EDITED (July 29, 2009)">Psalm 137:9 and Dealing With Religious Relatives &#8211; EDITED</a> (39)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/12/09/many-americans-are-religiously-mixed-up/" title="Many Americans Are Religiously Mixed Up (December 9, 2009)">Many Americans Are Religiously Mixed Up</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/05/22/lets-stop-pussyfooting-around/" title="Let&#8217;s Stop Pussyfooting Around (May 22, 2009)">Let&#8217;s Stop Pussyfooting Around</a> (46)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/06/28/conversations-with-christians-beth-2-down-the-rabbit-hole/" title="Conversations With christians &#8211; Beth 2 &#8211; Down The Rabbit Hole (June 28, 2009)">Conversations With christians &#8211; Beth 2 &#8211; Down The Rabbit Hole</a> (16)</li>
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		<title>Another Fine Atheist Service</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve all heard of Eternal Earth-Bound Pets and their awesome service of saving pets after the rapture (I wrote about being Rapture Ready here). Well, the other day I was contacted by another fine atheist service, Rapture Orphan Rescue: A service providing the Ultimate No Child Left Behind. Here is their Mission Statement: We are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/baby_atheist_nobg2.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-3032" title="baby_atheist" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/baby_atheist_nobg2.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="243" /></a>We&#8217;ve all heard of <a href="http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/Home_Page.html" target="_blank">Eternal Earth-Bound Pets</a> and their awesome service of saving pets after the rapture (I wrote about being <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/17/are-you-rapture-ready/">Rapture Ready</a> here). Well, the other day I was contacted by another fine atheist service, <a href="http://www.rapture-orphan-rescue.com/" target="_blank">Rapture Orphan Rescue</a>: A service providing the Ultimate No Child Left Behind.</p>
<p>Here is their <a href="http://www.rapture-orphan-rescue.com/about/about.html" target="_blank">Mission Statement</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">We are a Rapture-proof service that will ensure that your youngest family members will be given the religious instruction that you would have wanted them to receive. More than just letting your rapture-orphaned sons and daughters [know] that you love them, we will witness to them so that they too may be Saved and reunited with you at the end of the Trials and Tribulations.</p>
<p>This is based on biblical verses that state that we are all born in sin and that we have to reach the age of reason before we can be saved. The site goes into detail on the <a href="http://www.rapture-orphan-rescue.com/" target="_blank">home page</a> explaining why your baby is born an atheist and isn&#8217;t guaranteed to be raptured.</p>
<p>The problem seems to be that the children christians will leave behind will then be taken in as wards of the state, and then might be marked with the sign of the beast. This service will take the child before that stage and make sure they are never marked, which would be a bad thing according to Revelations 20:4.<span id="more-3030"></span></p>
<p>On their <a href="http://www.rapture-orphan-rescue.com/signup/signup.html" target="_blank">order page</a>, you can donate to help support the cause or buy the Soul Survivors Program, which is their basic package, and offers a guarantee to witness to a single family member as soon as they approach the age of reason (age 4-5). They include a personal message that you can include in that package. They also have an Extended Package and an Omega Program as well, which is $1 million dollars per 7 year term. (30 day trial for only $4,995!)</p>
<p>If you click on the buy button for the Omega Program, it doesn&#8217;t take your money. It goes to a page titled &#8220;<a href="http://www.rapture-orphan-rescue.com/about/why.html" target="_blank">Why are we so sure you are wrong?</a>&#8221; This page is linked to several times throughout the site as an attempt to show the light of reason to true believers.</p>
<p>They do promise to fulfill their commitments for the other programs, though and explain in detail on the Mission Statement page how the service works.</p>
<p>So I thought I&#8217;d share it with you. For your True Believer friends and family, maybe you can let them know about it.</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/08/19/why-im-an-atheist-not-an-agnostic/" title="Why I&#8217;m An Atheist, Not An Agnostic (August 19, 2008)">Why I&#8217;m An Atheist, Not An Agnostic</a> (19)</li>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/08/26/why-didnt-i-think-of-that/" title="Why Didn&#8217;t *I* Think Of That!? (August 26, 2008)">Why Didn&#8217;t *I* Think Of That!?</a> (15)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/02/09/why-are-the-religious-so-threatened-by-atheists/" title="Why Are The Religious So Threatened By Atheists? (February 9, 2009)">Why Are The Religious So Threatened By Atheists?</a> (20)</li>
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		<title>Atheists: Have You Ever Had A Mystical Experience?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m reading a book called The God Part of the Brain by Matthew Alper. Mostly, I think it&#8217;s a pretty interesting book. (there&#8217;s one thing that really bugs me about it, but otherwise it&#8217;s a good read). Anyway, he talks about how mystical experiences are found across cultures, which implies that there is a genetic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/silly_animalz_may_058.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-3015" title="silly_animalz_may_058" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/silly_animalz_may_058-450x403.jpg" alt="" width="311" height="278" /></a>I&#8217;m reading a book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1402214529?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1402214529">The God Part of the Brain</a> by Matthew Alper. Mostly, I think it&#8217;s a pretty interesting book. (there&#8217;s one thing that really bugs me about it, but otherwise it&#8217;s a good read). Anyway, he talks about how mystical experiences are found across cultures, which implies that there is a genetic component to them. In other words, every culture in recorded history talks about having mystical experiences so it must be something happening in the brain that is genetic. There must be genes associated with the way the brain works in certain circumstances that cause that phenomenon in people around the world.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s define a mystical experience first. Dan Merkur, author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0791416208?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0791416208">Gnosis: An Esoteric Tradition of Mystical Visions and Unions</a>, lists the five most common symptoms of a mystical experience (from The God Part of the Brain, pg 134)</p>
<ul>
<li>a sense of unity or totality</li>
<li>a sense of timelessness</li>
<li>a sense of having encountered ultimate reality</li>
<li>a sense of sacredness</li>
<li>a sense that one can not adequately describe the richness of their experience</li>
</ul>
<p>I was deeply religious as a child, from about age 4 to 12. I was so terrified of burning in hell that I was baptized 3 times in 3 different churches. I went to Sunday school, church, bible camp, I sang hymns, I prayed, I studied and read my bible, and had bible lessons for a short while. But in all those years, I never once had a mystical experience. I never felt god. I never felt the touch of the divine.<span id="more-3014"></span></p>
<p>After I gave up on religion, I wandered from one spiritual practice to the next. I meditated, I practiced all kinds of energy woo, I sat in circles with others and we prayed and chanted, I sat in a sweat lodge and chanted and drummed and sweated. I tried my hand at everything I could think of. I had heard others talk about connecting with the divine, of having mystical experiences. But in those many years of spiritual searching and experience, I never felt anything mystical. I never felt a sense of timelessness, or one with the universe. I never felt a sense of sacredness or ultimate reality. Not once.</p>
<p>Maybe, unlike 85% (or more) of humanity, my god gene is turned off. So, I thought I&#8217;d ask you a few questions. You can answer by <a href="mailto:heavingdeadcats@gmail.com">email</a> or in the comments below. But I&#8217;d love to know the following:</p>
<ol>
<li>Have you ever had a mystical experience?</li>
<li>If you had a mystical experience would you consider it religious (pertaining to God), or spiritual (more universal, not religious), or just a brain phenomenon at the time and after contemplation?</li>
<li>Did the mystical experience cause you to seek out a way to try to make it happen again? Did it make you try to be more religious or spiritual in some way?</li>
<li>If you have experienced something mystical, are you still spiritual or religious now? Is that in part because of your experience in any way?</li>
<li>If you had a mystical experience and you&#8217;re now an atheist, how did you reconcile that with being a nonbeliever now? Did it make it harder to lose your faith, do you think?</li>
<li>Are you like me? Have you never experienced anything like what I&#8217;ve described?</li>
<li>If you&#8217;ve never had a mystical experience, do you think that has made it easier for you to be a nonbeliever?</li>
<li>If you&#8217;ve never had a mystical experience and you&#8217;re religious or spiritual, how does that make you feel? Are you actively searching for this experience that others are having and you are not?</li>
<li>Do you have anything to add that I didn&#8217;t think of?</li>
</ol>
<p>Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to answer these questions. I&#8217;m wondering if it&#8217;s just me who is devoid of the mystical, or if maybe there is a correlation to those of us who don&#8217;t believe in any gods.</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[More interesting science! Let&#8217;s see what&#8217;s going on in the science world recently. My thoughts on a couple of the studies are in italics. People Reject Popular Opinions If They Already Hold Opposing Views To Make One Happy, Make One Busy What You Say About Others Says a Lot About You Breeding Is Changing Dog [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/funny-pictures-cat-hates-your-opinion.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-3012" title="funny-pictures-cat-hates-your-opinion" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/funny-pictures-cat-hates-your-opinion-450x411.jpg" alt="" width="354" height="323" /></a>More interesting science! Let&#8217;s see what&#8217;s going on in the science world recently. My thoughts on a couple of the studies are<em> in italics</em>.</p>
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<li>People Reject Popular Opinions If They Already Hold Opposing Views</li>
<li>To Make One Happy, Make One Busy</li>
<li>What You Say About Others Says a Lot About You</li>
<li>Breeding Is Changing Dog Brains</li>
<li>Synthetic Bone Graft Recruits Stem Cells for Faster Bone Healing</li>
<li>Latest &#8216;Green&#8217; Packing Material? Mushrooms; Packing Foam Engineered from Mushrooms and Agricultural Waste</li>
<li>Mining Bacterial Genomes Reveals Valuable &#8216;Hidden&#8217; Drugs</li>
<li>One High-Fat Diet, Two Different Outcomes: The Path to Obesity Becomes Clearer</li>
<li>Obesity Prevention Begins Before Birth: Excess Maternal Weight Gain Increases Birth Weight After Controlling for Genetic Factors</li>
<li>Gum Inflammation Linked to Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease</li>
<li>Brain Study Shows That Thinking About God Reduces Distress, But Only for Believers</li>
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<p><strong><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802125819.htm" target="_blank">People Reject Popular Opinions If They Already Hold Opposing Views</a></strong>: A new study suggests people often grow more confident in some beliefs when they find out later that a majority of people disagree with them. &#8220;It may be that you feel proud because you were able to disprove, in your own mind, an opinion that most people have accepted. You actually become doubly sure you were right.&#8221;<br />
Previous research has shown that majority opinion has the greatest influence on people when they consider issues that aren&#8217;t that important to them or issues they don&#8217;t want to spend much effort thinking about. Minority opinion does have influence sometimes, but mostly on issues which people are motivated to consider carefully. However, previous work had focused on situations in which people found out the majority opinion before they had given the issue much thought. &#8220;People may be thinking that &#8216;if I can find the flaws in a position that the majority of people believe, then my thoughts must really be good ones.&#8217;&#8221;<br />
One key to this finding is that people have to think about the issue first, and develop their own ideas. Learning later that a majority of people hold a certain view, after you have already made up your mind, functions to help you validate what you already think about that issue.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100729101615.htm" target="_blank">To Make One Happy, Make One Busy</a></strong>: A new study found that people who have something to do, even something pointless, are happier than people who sit idly. &#8230;people like being busy, and they like being able to justify being busy &#8212; to benefit society.</p>
<p><em>~If you read the write-up, I&#8217;d love your opinion on how this conclusion was made. I basically agree with the conclusion that keeping busy leads to feeling happier than just being idle, but I question how the conclusion was made, at least from the write-up.</em></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802165441.htm" target="_blank">What You Say About Others Says a Lot About You</a></strong>: How positively you see others is linked to how happy, kind-hearted and emotionally stable you are. The researchers found a person&#8217;s tendency to describe others in positive terms is an important indicator of the positivity of the person&#8217;s own personality traits. They discovered particularly strong associations between positively judging others and how enthusiastic, happy, kind-hearted, courteous, emotionally stable and capable the person describes oneself and is described by others. The study also found that how positively you see other people shows how satisfied you are with your own life, and how much you are liked by others.<br />
In contrast, negative perceptions of others are linked to higher levels of narcissism and antisocial behavior. &#8220;The simple tendency to see people negatively indicates a greater likelihood of depression and various personality disorders. Given that negative perceptions of others may underlie several personality disorders, finding techniques to get people to see others more positively could promote the cessation of behavior patterns associated with several different personality disorders simultaneously.&#8221; This research suggests that when you ask someone to rate the personality of a particular coworker or acquaintance, you may learn as much about the rater providing the personality description as the person they are describing. The level of negativity the rater uses in describing the other person may indeed indicate that the other person has negative characteristics, but may also be a tip off that the rater is unhappy, disagreeable, neurotic &#8212; or has other negative personality traits. &#8230;By evaluating the raters and how they evaluated their peers again one year later, Wood found compelling evidence that how positively we tend to perceive others in our social environment is a highly stable trait that does not change substantially over time.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802091205.htm" target="_blank">Breeding Is Changing Dog Brains</a></strong>: Scientists have shown that selective breeding of domestic dogs is not only dramatically changing the way animals look but is also driving major changes in the canine brain. The brains of many short-snouted dog breeds have rotated forward as much as 15 degrees, while the brain region controlling smell has fundamentally relocated. No other animal has enjoyed the level of human affection and companionship like the dog, nor undergone such a systemic and deliberate intervention in its biology through breeding, the authors note. The diversity suggests a unique level of plasticity in the canine genome. &#8220;Canines seem to be incredibly responsive to human intervention through breeding. It&#8217;s amazing that a dog&#8217;s brain can accommodate such large differences in skull shape through these kinds of changes &#8212; it&#8217;s something that hasn&#8217;t been documented in other species.&#8221; &#8230;&#8221;The next obvious step is to try to find out if these changes in brain organisation are also linked to systematic differences in dogs&#8217; brain function.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802110823.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Synthetic Bone Graft Recruits Stem Cells for Faster Bone Healing</strong></a>: A new study shows how particles of a ceramic called calcium phosphate have the ability to stimulate promising bone regrowth by attracting stem cells and &#8216;growth factors&#8217; to promote healing and the integration of the grafted tissue. &#8220;The rate of bone repair we see with these materials rivals that of traditional grafts using a patients&#8217; own bone. And what sets it apart from other synthetic graft substitutes is its ability to attract stem cells and the body&#8217;s natural growth factors, which coincide to form new, strong, natural bone around an artificial graft.&#8221; &#8230;The study suggests that biomaterials-based bone grafts can manipulate cell behaviour in order to repair injury, and one day may be used to repair bone injuries in humans.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100727121933.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Latest &#8216;Green&#8217; Packing Material? Mushrooms; Packing Foam Engineered from Mushrooms and Agricultural Waste</strong></a>: A new packing material that grows itself is now appearing in shipped products across the country. The composite of inedible agricultural waste and mushroom roots is called Mycobond™, and its manufacture requires just one eighth the energy and one tenth the carbon dioxide of traditional foam packing material. And unlike most foam substitutes, when no longer useful, it makes great compost in the garden.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100801201329.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Mining Bacterial Genomes Reveals Valuable &#8216;Hidden&#8217; Drugs</strong></a>: Scientists successfully used a &#8216;genome mining&#8217; approach to find and activate a group of genes in the bacterium Streptomyces coelicolor. This resulted in the production of a new antibacterial compound that was effective against several bacterial strains, including Escherichia coli. Streptomyces is a common soil bacterium that is well-known for its antibiotic-producing capabilities. In 2002, genomic sequencing of one Streptomyces species, S. coelicolor, revealed several groups of genes whose function was unknown. By digging deeper and removing a molecule that specifically inactivates one of the mystery gene groups, known as cpk, the researchers in this study were able to &#8216;awaken&#8217; the genes, to find that they produced the new antibiotic, in addition to a bright yellow pigment. This is the first time a genome mining approach to drug discovery has been successfully used in Streptomyces. The same approach for &#8216;awakening&#8217; new antibiotic production pathways could also be used to tap other micro-organisms, such as filamentous fungi, for sources of biologically active compounds. Aside from antibiotics, these compounds may include other antimicrobials or antitumour agents. &#8220;There are several thousand other uncharacterized groups of genes that have been found recently in microbial genome sequences. This opens up a rich treasure trove of new potential drugs for clinical use.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802151315.htm" target="_blank"><strong>One High-Fat Diet, Two Different Outcomes: The Path to Obesity Becomes Clearer</strong></a>: Why is it that two people can consume the same high fat, high-calorie Western diet and one becomes obese and prone to diabetes while the other maintains a slim frame? A study provides a simple explanation: weight is set before birth in the developing brain. The research team analyzed the question in specific groups of rats. &#8230;animals that become obese already had a significant difference in the feeding center of the brain. Neurons that are supposed to signal when you&#8217;ve eaten enough and when to burn calories, are much more sluggish in these animals because they are inhibited by other cells. In animals resistant to obesity, these satiety signaling neurons are much more active and ready to signal to the rest of the brain and peripheral tissues when enough food has been consumed. &#8220;These observations add to the argument that it is less about personal will that makes a difference in becoming obese, and, it is more related to the connections that emerge in our brain during development.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100804205145.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Obesity Prevention Begins Before Birth: Excess Maternal Weight Gain Increases Birth Weight After Controlling for Genetic Factors</strong></a>: Expectant mothers who gain large amounts of weight tend to give birth to heavier infants who are at higher risk for obesity later in life. But it&#8217;s never been proven that this tendency results from the weight gain itself, rather than genetic or other factors that mother and baby share. &#8220;Since high birth weight, in turn, increases risk for obesity and diseases such as cancer and asthma later in life, these findings have important implications to general public health.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;Animal studies suggest that excess maternal weight or excess weight gain during pregnancy affects the uterine environment, producing changes in the hypothalamus, pancreatic islet cells, fat tissue and other systems that regulate body weight. &#8220;Hormones and metabolic pathways, and even the structure of tissues and organs that play a role in body weight maintenance are affected.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100803112811.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Gum Inflammation Linked to Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease</strong></a>: The study offers fresh evidence that gum inflammation may contribute to brain inflammation, neurodegeneration, and Alzheimer&#8217;s disease.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100804110337.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Brain Study Shows That Thinking About God Reduces Distress, But Only for Believers</strong></a>: Thinking about God may make you less upset about making errors, according to a new study. The researchers measured brain waves for a particular kind of distress-response while participants made mistakes on a test. Those who had been prepared with religious thoughts had a less prominent response to mistakes than those who hadn&#8217;t. The researchers showed that when people think about religion and God, their brains respond differently, in a way that lets them take setbacks in stride and react with less distress to anxiety-provoking mistakes. The results showed that when people were primed to think about religion and God, either consciously or unconsciously, brain activity decreases in areas consistent with the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC), an area associated with a number of things, including regulating bodily states of arousal and serving an alerting function when things are going wrong, including when we make mistakes.<br />
Interestingly, atheists reacted differently; when they were unconsciously primed with God-related ideas, their ACC increased its activity. The researchers suggest that for religious people, thinking about God may provide a way of ordering the world and explaining apparently random events and thus reduce their feelings of distress. In contrast, for atheists, thoughts of God may contradict the meaning systems they embrace and thus cause them more distress.<br />
&#8220;Thinking about religion makes you calm under fire. It makes you less distressed when you&#8217;ve made an error. We think this can help us understand some of the really interesting findings about people who are religious. Although not unequivocal, there is some evidence that religious people live longer and they tend to be happier and healthier.&#8221; Atheists shouldn&#8217;t despair, though. &#8220;We think this can occur with any meaning system that provides structure and helps people understand their world.&#8221; Maybe atheists would do better if they were primed to think about their own beliefs, he says.</p>
<p><em>~My initial thoughts on this: Of course atheists were more agitated after reading the god related ideas! What did they expect? That the atheists would suddenly find comfort in that insanity? I think the conclusions for atheists is offensively patronizing. Maybe I&#8217;m just irritated by how the study was conducted. It would suggest to me that religious people can easily make mistakes and their religious thoughts make them more accepting of their mistakes. This doesn&#8217;t seem like a positive reaction. When you screw up you should have a reaction, in my opinion. </em></p>
<p><em>Also, is it true that religious people live longer and are happier? Is there evidence for that? Most atheists I know are quite happy, and more importantly, not delusional. Then again, in support of the study&#8217;s conclusions, the atheists I know who are relatively happy all have very strong value systems that give their lives meaning. I can also speak for myself that this is the case. Atheism only starts with a lack of belief in god. It doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t have strong values in the real world that give our lives meaning in other areas away from anything supernatural.</em></p>

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		<title>Australia&#8217;s New Prime Minister is Not Religious!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend Kevin lives in Australia and sent me a message this morning about their new prime minister Down Under. Julia Gillard is the first female prime minister of Australia, AND this is what she says about her personal life: Gillard has never married or had children.  Her partner since 2006, Tim Mathieson, is a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Julia-Gillard.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2885" title="Julia-Gillard" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Julia-Gillard.jpg" alt="" width="228" height="333" /></a>My friend Kevin lives in Australia and sent me a message this morning about their new prime minister Down Under. Julia Gillard is the first female prime minister of Australia, AND this is what she says about her personal life:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Gillard has never married or had children.  Her partner since 2006, Tim Mathieson, is a hairdresser. Gillard said through a spokeswoman that she was a &#8220;non-practising Baptist&#8221; and &#8220;not religious&#8221;. She is tolerant of public interest in her personal life, stating that &#8220;People want to know who you are, the shape of your life. That is legitimate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very interesting! Australia has voted in a woman who is Not Religious! How did that happen? That&#8217;s wonderful! She is the first person in high politics I&#8217;ve ever heard of who has said that.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope she does a great job and that other &#8220;non-religious&#8221; politicians follow suit and run for high offices and succeed. I wonder if we could ever get that far here in America? Wow, I&#8217;m really reaching for the stars now!</p>
<p>Good luck, Julia. I hope you do great things in your run as prime minister.</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[I created this ribbon for Atheist Solidarity Day, An Atheist Holiday, which is June 21st. It&#8217;s a Facebook group and I really like the idea of godless heathens having a holiday for themselves, just because! (see below for more info) Edit: Now there&#8217;s an Atheist Solidarity website! Here&#8217;s the description from the page: An atheist [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">I created this ribbon for Atheist Solidarity Day, An Atheist Holiday, which is June 21st. It&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000688796131#!/group.php?gid=300231402267" target="_blank">Facebook group</a> and I really like the idea of godless heathens having a holiday for themselves, just because! (see below for more info)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Edit: Now there&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.atheistsolidarity.com/" target="_blank">Atheist Solidarity</a> website!</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Atheist-Solidarity-Ribbon.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-2759 aligncenter" title="Atheist-Solidarity-Ribbon" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Atheist-Solidarity-Ribbon.png" alt="" width="612" height="792" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Here&#8217;s the description from the page:<span id="more-2760"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; padding-left: 30px;">An atheist holiday and awareness campaign. It&#8217;s a global and annual day to stand up together as one and provide support for those who struggle to be non-religious in their communities. It&#8217;s a day of celebration for those who have the freedom to be open about their beliefs while at the same time raising awareness about those who don&#8217;t have that freedom. There are many around the world who have to hide their beliefs because of social pressures, taboos, threat of violence, and even death. Everywhere there are people who have to hide out of necessity. It ultimately is a day of protest, celebration, and awareness raising.</p>
<p>This day will be a day where atheists around the world wear a half scarlet red, half black ribbon pinned to their shirt (the red alluding to the &#8220;scarlet A&#8221; popularized by <a href="http://outcampaign.org/" target="_blank">the OUT Campaign</a> and the black being atheism) or anything that identifies themselves as an atheist such as the &#8220;Scarlet A&#8221;. As we get more and more publicity every year it will be easier and easier for others to stand out and express themselves.</p>
<p>On June 21 people will be paying more attention to the repercussions that some may suffer identifying themselves as an atheist. It will be a day that when repercussions happen atheists around the globe will stand up and demand it end. On this day we&#8217;ll write letters to the media, we&#8217;ll protest, we&#8217;ll make it more well known, we&#8217;ll cast an eye on those who oppress. To be successful publicity is important. It&#8217;s a day to party and be responsible. Create awareness in clever ways. Have a party in a public place and invite the public. Run a fundraiser in the community. Do anything to get more people to see that atheists are just like everyone else. Do things to break the stereotypes people may have. Be fun and show your community what you think is important.</p>
<p>Ideas on ways to identity yourself on this day: wear a half scarlet red, half black ribbon, get something from http://store.richarddawkins.net/ (proceeds to go to a non-profit foundation),  or from http://www.cafepress.ca/atheistday , wear a goofy costume and makeup, make signs, or anything to identify yourself as atheist.</p>
<p>This day belongs to everyone. No one controls it or its agenda. It will take it&#8217;s own path. Hopefully every year more and more people will celebrate this day. Feel free to use this facebook page to organize local events. Just post your location as a topic in discussions. Offer ideas. Join this group. Encourage others to join. Write about it in your blog. Promote this day everywhere.</p>
<p>Eventually this day could be a day were all atheists stand up in solidarity worldwide in order to help more come out to those around them. Together we can help change the world where eventually atheists everywhere can stand up fearless and celebrate our freedom every June 21. This event nicely compliments World Humanist Day. See outcampaign.org for related information.</p>
<p>REMEMBER that this day will only be successful if many groups participate. If you see an atheist/humanist group that isn&#8217;t participating, write a quick email encouraging them to do something that day. It only takes 5 minutes and can make a big difference!!! Contact information for groups in your area can be found at <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/localGroups" target="_blank">Richard Dawkins&#8217; site here</a>.</p>
<p>Also at:<br />
youtube.com/group/solidarityday<br />
twitter.com/SolidarityDay use #atheistsolidarityday</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[The other day I received the following email: Without criticizing or judging your page in any way, I just would like to ask you, why are you so vocal about your non-beliefs? Can you see any correlation to the obnoxious holy-rollers that most people dislike? Perhaps its just a need for self-expression, expressed. I guess [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2755" title="eden-cat" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/eden-cat-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="408" height="306" />The other day I received the following email:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Without criticizing or judging your page in any way, I just would like to ask you, why are you so vocal about your non-beliefs?<br />
Can you see any correlation to the obnoxious holy-rollers that most people dislike?<br />
Perhaps its just a need for self-expression, expressed. I guess it was the &#8220;Atheist/Humanist/Skeptical/Freethinker Group&#8221; poll that got me. Why do you need help to think freely? Or company? How is it not the antithesis of a prayer group?<br />
I just think perhaps you need balance. I found mine, or the closest I&#8217;ve ever come to it, in the martial arts. Self-defense, but a wonderful integration of the physical and the spiritual, however one defines that, and although its frequently tied to a religion, that can be left to the individual.<br />
I ran across the movie &#8220;The Secret&#8221; and found your website from a Google search entitled &#8220;the secret is bullshit&#8221;.<br />
Have a good one.<br />
By the way, I am a political conservative and a Christian, although most would argue (if they were interested, which they are not) I am not a practicing one. Just a believer.</p>
<p>These days, when someone tries to subtly insult me, I usually just brush it off and move on. But this email reminded me that maybe I need to speak louder, slower and more clearly.</p>
<p>First, this blog is for atheists and skeptics, not christians and mindless believers. This blog is by a skeptical atheist for people who like to think and use their minds. If you don&#8217;t like it, no one is making you read it. Go mind your own business elsewhere. I&#8217;m not coming into your backyard and whining. I&#8217;ll thank you to give me the same courtesy.<span id="more-2753"></span></p>
<p>Second, atheists are growing in number and we need community too. Not only do we need it, we <em>deserve</em> it, just like any other group in this country. In fact, it should be a basic human right to meet and socialize with like-minded individuals, especially for peaceful purposes. Unfortunately in some countries the people aren&#8217;t free and atheists are in danger if they expose themselves in any way. Now in Ireland it&#8217;s illegal to blaspheme. We&#8217;re going backwards!</p>
<p>Even small minority groups should be allowed to meet together and have a community. Why is that so threatening to believers? Why does that bother them so much? Well, here&#8217;s something interesting. After christianity, nonbelievers are the biggest group in America, bigger than judaism, islam, and all the others. In fact, we&#8217;re bigger than all those others combined. I guess that&#8217;s why they worry when we gather together. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States" target="_blank">Religion in the U.S.</a>)</p>
<p>Third, my atheist meetings are not to help me think freely. I do that on my own. Mainly we get together to share ideas, learn new things, expand our minds, and share in our growing community of like-minded skeptical, freethinking nonbelievers. So only christians get to meet on a regular basis to have a community? You think christians have a monopoly on people spending time together? You think we&#8217;re uppity and should sit in the back of the bus? Get over yourselves.</p>
<p>Fourth, we are the antithesis of a prayer group, yes. Most definitely. Because we accomplish things. We get together to learn, expand our minds, stretch our horizons, to challenge our ways of thinking at times, to educate ourselves. And you know what? We also get together to help others. Sometimes we have donation drives for the less fortunate. We also have a campaign to help our local Botanic Garden in progress. One of our goals is to help our community. Pretty nifty, huh?</p>
<p>A prayer group is a bunch of people huddling together, praying to an unknown, unseen entity that has <em>never</em> answered a prayer. <em>Ever</em>. Why? Because he doesn&#8217;t exist. In hundreds of years of science, there has never been a rigorous scientific study that has found any evidence of god or the supernatural. Everything&#8230; <em>EVERYTHING</em> in this universe that we&#8217;ve investigated so far has turned out to be <em>completely natural</em>. No god needed. Especially not an angry local god from the Middle East with a penchant for wholesale slaughter and a bad temper. So sitting in a room praying <em>to</em> nothing <em>does</em> nothing. <em>Nothing</em>.</p>
<p>Why not go out and actually help someone in need instead of clasping your hands in prayer? Prayer merely lets the person praying feel superior for doing nothing but clasping their hands together.</p>
<p>How do atheists relate to obnoxious holy rollers? They don&#8217;t. Just because you compare two groups doesn&#8217;t mean they have anything in common. It&#8217;s completely meaningless.</p>
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<li>We have ethics, while they shit on their own high and mighty biblical morals while preaching a hard-line moral code to their flock.</li>
<li>We get together in the name of reason, science, education and community. We are trying to build up good things. They preach and pray, people of one book, eschewing education, learning and critical thinking. They want people to stay the sheep that they are so they can bilk them for money. It&#8217;s greed and power, nothing more.</li>
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<p>The list goes on and on. I don&#8217;t need to explain the good that our group does, even just by letting other atheists know they aren&#8217;t alone in a sea of religious dogma. That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re so vocal. There are many of us out there. We are now starting to gather together whether you like it or not. If you don&#8217;t like it, it&#8217;s probably because you feel threatened. I can see how reason, ethics and critical thinking can be scary.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a godless heathen, please consider joining a local group, an internet group, or forming your own. I wrote about <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/03/25/ideas-about-atheist-groups/">how to start a group</a> recently. While we aren&#8217;t going to agree on everything, you will probably be pleasantly surprised how awesome it is to hang out with like-minded heathens and critical thinkers. Who knows, it might do a lot of good for your community, but also for you! Let me know if you do. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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