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		<title>The New Ten Commandments</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2593" title="ceiling cat disapproves" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846-322x450.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="315" /></a>Awhile ago I wrote about the <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/23/my-personal-10-commandments/">10 commandment</a>s. I then rewrote them for my personal moral code, calling them <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/09/neeces-10-commandments-list/">Neece&#8217;s Principles</a>. No need to have anyone commanding anyone.</p>
<p>Christopher Hitchens just wrote a 3 page piece for Vanity Fair about the 10 commandments titled <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/04/hitchens-201004" target="_blank">The New Commandments</a>. He goes through the KJV version and talks about where they are good and where they are not so good. Here is his summation:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What emerges from the first review is this: the Ten Commandments were derived from situational ethics. They show every symptom of having been man-made and improvised under pressure. They are addressed to a nomadic tribe whose main economy is primitive agriculture and whose wealth is sometimes counted in people as well as animals. They are also addressed to a group that has been promised the land and flocks of other people: the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2593" title="ceiling cat disapproves" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846-322x450.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="315" /></a>Awhile ago I wrote about the <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/23/my-personal-10-commandments/">10 commandment</a>s. I then rewrote them for my personal moral code, calling them <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/09/neeces-10-commandments-list/">Neece&#8217;s Principles</a>. No need to have anyone commanding anyone.</p>
<p>Christopher Hitchens just wrote a 3 page piece for Vanity Fair about the 10 commandments titled <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/04/hitchens-201004" target="_blank">The New Commandments</a>. He goes through the KJV version and talks about where they are good and where they are not so good. Here is his summation:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What emerges from the first review is this: the Ten Commandments were derived from situational ethics. They show every symptom of having been man-made and improvised under pressure. They are addressed to a nomadic tribe whose main economy is primitive agriculture and whose wealth is sometimes counted in people as well as animals. They are also addressed to a group that has been promised the land and flocks of other people: the Amalekites and Midianites and others whom God orders them to kill, rape, enslave, or exterminate. And this, too, is important because at every step of their arduous journey the Israelites are reminded to keep to the laws, not because they are right but just because they will lead them to become conquerors (of, as it happens, almost the only part of the Middle East that has no oil).</p>
<p>So here is a rundown of how he fixes them:</p>
<ul>
<li>One to Three can go, &#8220;since they have nothing to do with morality and are no more than a long, rasping throat clearing by an admittedly touchy dictator. Mere fear of unseen authority is not a sound basis for ethics.&#8221; (the invisible sky daddy flexes his muscles and demands worship.).</li>
<li>He also says we don&#8217;t have to ban sculpture and art (idols).</li>
<li>Four. Gone. Pointless. (don&#8217;t work on the sabbath, except black sabbath, of course!)</li>
<li>Five, respect elders, sure. But also ban child abuse. What a concept! (I&#8217;d add that parents should only get respect like anyone else, when they earn it.)</li>
<li>Six, taken care of by modern law. Don&#8217;t murder. (Don&#8217;t kill under almost all circumstances.) (although I think assisted suicide for terminally ill people should be legal)</li>
<li>Seven, he seems to destroy too.  (adultery) (and yeah, what about saying rape is bad? especially pedophilia and that kind of stuff?)</li>
<li>Eight, ok. This one is good. Don&#8217;t steal. (stealing)</li>
<li>Nine, don&#8217;t lie. Also basically good. (lying about your neighbor)</li>
<li>Ten, women aren&#8217;t property. This one is pointless and harmful in that it makes you a sinner just from your thoughts. (don&#8217;t lust after your neighbor&#8217;s goods or wife)</li>
</ul>
<p>Other evils of human society that should be denounced, according to Hitchens:</p>
<ul>
<li>genocide</li>
<li>slavery</li>
<li>rape</li>
<li>child abuse</li>
<li>sexual repression</li>
<li>white-collar crime</li>
<li>wanton destruction of the natural world</li>
<li>people who talk on cell phones in restaurants (and movie theatres, or who talk on the phone or text while driving!)</li>
<li>people who blow themselves up while shouting &#8216;god is great!&#8217; (and any other kind of jihadism or crusade)</li>
<li>racism</li>
<li>using people as private property</li>
<li>condemning people for their inborn nature (like homosexuality, etc)</li>
</ul>
<p>And this is how he finishes:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above. In short: Do not swallow your moral code in tablet form.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good advice! I think I stand by the principles I came up with for myself. What are yours? Do you agree with Christopher Hitchens?</p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/09/neeces-10-commandments-list/" title="Neece&#8217;s Principles (October 9, 2009)">Neece&#8217;s Principles</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/11/should-religion-be-taught-to-minors/" title="Should Religion Be Taught To Minors? (October 11, 2009)">Should Religion Be Taught To Minors?</a> (13)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/23/my-personal-10-commandments/" title="My Personal 10 Commandments (August 23, 2009)">My Personal 10 Commandments</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/25/morals-ethics-and-pope-benedict-evil/" title="Morals, Ethics and Pope Benedict Evil (March 25, 2009)">Morals, Ethics and Pope Benedict Evil</a> (13)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/18/being-good-without-god-is-natural/" title="Being Good Without God Is Natural (February 18, 2010)">Being Good Without God Is Natural</a> (4)</li>
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		<title>Don&#8217;t Assume I&#8217;m A Sensitive Soul</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/03/04/dont-assume-im-a-sensitive-soul/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2582 alignright" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="295" /></a>I received this email from a woman the other day. After careful thought I replied to it and decided it was worth sharing.</p>
<p>Here is the email in its entirety:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Thank you for sharing “<a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/25/wild-geese-by-mary-oliver-my-favorite-poem/">Wild Geese</a>”.  After Joe Biden used most of this poem as his reflection upon the anniversary of 9/11, I went in search of the poem. The two of Mary Oliver’s collections I own did not include it. I was happy to find it at your site and amazed, actually.  Amazed and delighted, because a poem I find so “religious” is at the same time such a balm for you.  I grew up Roman Catholic; I am now an Episcopal priest.  I am convinced after 20 years that what most people throw away – the cats they heave – are indeed worth heaving.  Sometimes we have to go deeper, below the interpretations of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2582 alignright" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="295" /></a>I received this email from a woman the other day. After careful thought I replied to it and decided it was worth sharing.</p>
<p>Here is the email in its entirety:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Thank you for sharing “<a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/25/wild-geese-by-mary-oliver-my-favorite-poem/">Wild Geese</a>”.  After Joe Biden used most of this poem as his reflection upon the anniversary of 9/11, I went in search of the poem. The two of Mary Oliver’s collections I own did not include it. I was happy to find it at your site and amazed, actually.  Amazed and delighted, because a poem I find so “religious” is at the same time such a balm for you.  I grew up Roman Catholic; I am now an Episcopal priest.  I am convinced after 20 years that what most people throw away – the cats they heave – are indeed worth heaving.  Sometimes we have to go deeper, below the interpretations of history, to find our own deeper truth.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Yes, a “barbarous” God exists in the pages of the Bible:  What all-kind God and Father would will the death of a Beloved Son?  How could God command Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a test of faith? Isn’t that sadistic?  Yes, indeed.  On the face of it.  For us in the 21st century these stories are barbaric. They are foreign to our experience. They were not foreign to the persons for whom they were written when the “first fruits” in ancient societies were offered up to the deity – including in some cases, the first born child. In some places in later writings there seems to be a critique of these practices in the Bible itself.  The question becomes, it seems to me, is it worth reinterpreting these stories for our own time, or do we jettison them and replace them with our own stories of sacrificial obedience and love?   Yes, life does involve sacrifice – we give up our children constantly to the gods of war who exact a savage price. There are no rams in the thicket to take their place …</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But the same source of barbarism comments on itself in texts of amazing love and mercy.  We cannot hear these texts enough.<span id="more-2580"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I hope the love, mercy is what you kept when you threw away the dead cat of guilt and the burdens of all that teaching that depressed and suffocated you.  If you are still seeking a metaphor or metaphors for the love that is the universe and your place in it, Mary Oliver’s poetry surely hints at it in all its complexity. It is worth the search if you are willing to expand your conversation to include persons who have made a transition through the grief and disillusion you have experienced.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">You have purified your heart. You have surrounded yourself with friends eager to  share what they’ve rejected. Is it time to resume the search for what you seek and share what you have found as a replacement that has enriched you spiritually, given you new life? Perhaps you have done so.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Please forgive me if I’ve “pried” too much or presumed too much. You are obviously a sensitive soul. Thank you again for sharing a favorite poem.</p>
<p>And here is my reply:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Thank you for your email. I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed Wild Geese. It&#8217;s a great poem. Funny that you find it religious. It seems very anti-religious to me, which is why I like it. I guess it&#8217;s down to interpretation. I also think you are very presumptuous with your assumptions of me. My character is not nearly as weak as you suggest. The poem is not a balm to me. I find it inspirational, but I don&#8217;t need to be soothed by it. I find it delightful. Perhaps it might be best to not assume what others are thinking and maybe just ask them.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">You immediately go into apologetics with your loose, cherry-picked interpretations of the bible. If a caring, loving god inspired the words of the bible, I&#8217;m sure slavery would not have been condoned, nor the rape of daughters, nor the hatred of your own family (that was Jesus, by the way. How loving was that?) If it can&#8217;t be taken literally, then the whole book is just about how you interpret it, which means it can mean anything, which means it&#8217;s completely worthless as a guide. It IS completely worthless as a guide anyway. It was written in the middle east in the iron age by goat herders. It has zero relevance for today. It is filled with hate and murder with the occasional rape. Lovely. How you can find anything worthwhile in there is beyond me.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What little bit of &#8220;wisdom&#8221; in the bible is not original or new. The Golden Rule? Older than Jesus. He didn&#8217;t come up with it. If he even existed, which is highly doubtful.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">So no, it isn&#8217;t worth reinterpreting those fables into stories for our own time. We don&#8217;t need them. They fuel hate in people who interpret them literally, and just confuse good people who think they are the word of their god. They are completely useless to society.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And no, why do we need to replace them with more sacrificial obedience? Why do you need that? How is that healthy to anyone? Love, sure. We can all use love. But the bible is very thin in that department. Give me a book like The Golden Compass. That has love. And even sacrifice for the good of all mankind. A great epic story with no mixed messages to confuse people. It even has god.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Life involves compromise and sometimes sacrifice. But teaching children ethics, critical thinking and basic philosophy while giving them love will give them the structure they need to build their own moral code. Not one based on blind obedience and fear of eternal damnation if they make a mistake. How could a loving god torture his creation for all eternity just because they aren&#8217;t blindly worshiping him? He needs some serious psychotherapy. That&#8217;s insane.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I kept nothing from the bible or my early indoctrination into christianity. I have jettisoned the guilt and fear. There was no love to be had. There was only that blind sacrificial obedience you mentioned. That is not love. That is sickness.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And you presumed again that it depressed and suffocated me. I find that offensive that you would presume to know me. Do you talk to your parishioners with such condescension? Why not ask someone what they are thinking instead of arrogantly assuming.  I did not experience grief. Although of course I was disillusioned by the lies of religion.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Shaking off the lies of the church, ridding myself of that sick pack of lies was the most liberating, uplifting, positive step I&#8217;ve ever taken.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Again, you presume that I am seeking some great truth. How patronizing. For me, the completely natural workings of the universe inspire and awe me daily. That is my truth and I am quite happy to explore it often. I don&#8217;t need to find some god or false belief in a supreme being, or the ridiculous reward of an afterlife. I am happy to have nature in all its complexity. Science is fantastic. That&#8217;s all I need. It&#8217;s quite satisfying to rid myself of superstitions and myths. You should try it. It&#8217;s quite liberating. Maybe it will help you to ask people their feelings and thoughts instead of filtering what you think they experience through your own worldview.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Oh, and you don&#8217;t know who my friends are either. Again with the presumptions. I guess you probably don&#8217;t think I&#8221;m a sensitive soul anymore. Well, when someone I&#8217;ve never met claims to know me so intimately, I get a bit irritated. I don&#8217;t have a soul. Neither do you. Live this life for today, not for a future promise which doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed the poem. But just because I like it too, obviously for very different reasons, doesn&#8217;t mean I think like you or share your delusions.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I hope someday you too can shake off the shackles of blind faith, sacrificial obedience, repression and future rewards for constant servitude.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Have a great day!</p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/05/06/conversations-with-craig-the-christian-5-more-interpretations/" title="Conversations With Craig the christian 5 &#8211; More Interpretations (May 6, 2009)">Conversations With Craig the christian 5 &#8211; More Interpretations</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/12/belief-unbelief-scientific-method/" title="Belief, Unbelief and The Scientific Method (December 12, 2008)">Belief, Unbelief and The Scientific Method</a> (19)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/06/23/10-reasons-to-believe-in-god/" title="10 Reasons To Believe In god? (June 23, 2009)">10 Reasons To Believe In god?</a> (24)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/testimonial/fruitloop/" title="Neece (July 31, 2008)">Neece</a> (1)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/05/31/conversations-with-ash-1-answering-questions/" title="Conversations With Ash: 1 &#8211; Answering Questions (May 31, 2009)">Conversations With Ash: 1 &#8211; Answering Questions</a> (9)</li>
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		<title>Christmas Tree Nonsense</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>My friend AJ sent me this picture and I had to share it with you, after my brain stopped fizzling:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/crucifix-christmas-tree-31447-1260820591-18.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2353" title="crucifix-christmas-tree" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/crucifix-christmas-tree-31447-1260820591-18.jpg" alt="crucifix-christmas-tree" width="500" height="267" /></a></p>
<p>What is the reasoning here? &#8220;Let&#8217;s celebrate the birth of our savior, but let&#8217;s make sure we focus on his crucifixion at the same time? What would easter look like then? Would you have to mix holiday symbols there too?</p>
<p>Update: Here&#8217;s <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091215/us_time/08599194759000/print" target="_blank">the news story</a> that explains the above image.</p>
<p>Of course, the bible mentions the &#8220;christmas&#8221; tree in the old testament, and they aren&#8217;t too keen on it:</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jer/10.html#2" target="_blank">Jeremiah 10:2-4</a>: &#8220;Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend AJ sent me this picture and I had to share it with you, after my brain stopped fizzling:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/crucifix-christmas-tree-31447-1260820591-18.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2353" title="crucifix-christmas-tree" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/crucifix-christmas-tree-31447-1260820591-18.jpg" alt="crucifix-christmas-tree" width="500" height="267" /></a></p>
<p>What is the reasoning here? &#8220;Let&#8217;s celebrate the birth of our savior, but let&#8217;s make sure we focus on his crucifixion at the same time? What would easter look like then? Would you have to mix holiday symbols there too?</p>
<p>Update: Here&#8217;s <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091215/us_time/08599194759000/print" target="_blank">the news story</a> that explains the above image.</p>
<p>Of course, the bible mentions the &#8220;christmas&#8221; tree in the old testament, and they aren&#8217;t too keen on it:</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jer/10.html#2" target="_blank">Jeremiah 10:2-4</a>: &#8220;Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.&#8221;<span id="more-2352"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Jeremiah10-2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2354" title="Jeremiah10-2" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Jeremiah10-2-450x357.jpg" alt="Jeremiah10-2" width="450" height="357" /></a></p>
<p>Here is another version which reads a bit differently:</p>
<p><a href="http://russellsteapot.com/know-your-bible/new/jeremiah-102-4.html" target="_blank">Jeremiah 10: 2</a> Thus says the LORD, &#8220;Do not learn the way of the nations, And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens Although the nations are terrified by them; 3  For the customs of the peoples are delusion; Because it is wood cut from the forest, The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool. 4  They decorate it with silver and with gold; They fasten it with nails and with hammers So that it will not totter.</p>
<p>Oh, oops, sorry baby jesus, I guess we shouldn&#8217;t be decorating trees to celebrate your birth, especially since we stole the idea from the heathens. But of course, then they say, jesus is the reason for the season. But I say, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice" target="_blank">Winter Solstice</a> is really the reason for the season, if you&#8217;re going to celebrate anything.</p>
<p>This works well too, the Flying Spaghetti Monster as a tree topper:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/a_fsm_tree.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2355" title="a_fsm_tree" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/a_fsm_tree-337x450.jpg" alt="a_fsm_tree" width="337" height="450" /></a>Happy Holidays my friends!</p>

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		<title>Why I Am Not A Christian</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2349" title="Bertrand_Russell_1950" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg" alt="Bertrand_Russell_1950" width="162" height="217" /></a>by Bertrand Russell</p>
<p>Russell delivered this lecture on March 6, 1927 to the National Secular Society, South London Branch, at Battersea Town Hall. Published in pamphlet form in that same year, the essay subsequently achieved new fame with Paul Edwards&#8217; edition of Russell&#8217;s book, Why I Am Not a Christian and Other Essays &#8230; (1957).</p>
<blockquote><p>As your Chairman has told you, the subject about which I am going to speak to you tonight is &#8220;Why I Am Not a Christian.&#8221; Perhaps it would be as well, first of all, to try to make out what one means by the word Christian. It is used these days in a very loose sense by a great many people. Some people mean no more by it than a person who attempts to live a good life. In that sense I suppose there would be Christians in all sects and creeds; but I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2349" title="Bertrand_Russell_1950" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg" alt="Bertrand_Russell_1950" width="162" height="217" /></a>by Bertrand Russell</p>
<p>Russell delivered this lecture on March 6, 1927 to the National Secular Society, South London Branch, at Battersea Town Hall. Published in pamphlet form in that same year, the essay subsequently achieved new fame with Paul Edwards&#8217; edition of Russell&#8217;s book, Why I Am Not a Christian and Other Essays &#8230; (1957).</p>
<blockquote><p>As your Chairman has told you, the subject about which I am going to speak to you tonight is &#8220;Why I Am Not a Christian.&#8221; Perhaps it would be as well, first of all, to try to make out what one means by the word Christian. It is used these days in a very loose sense by a great many people. Some people mean no more by it than a person who attempts to live a good life. In that sense I suppose there would be Christians in all sects and creeds; but I do not think that that is the proper sense of the word, if only because it would imply that all the people who are not Christians &#8212; all the Buddhists, Confucians, Mohammedans, and so on &#8212; are not trying to live a good life. I do not mean by a Christian any person who tries to live decently according to his lights. I think that you must have a certain amount of definite belief before you have a right to call yourself a Christian. The word does not have quite such a full-blooded meaning now as it had in the times of St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas. In those days, if a man said that he was a Christian it was known what he meant. You accepted a whole collection of creeds which were set out with great precision, and every single syllable of those creeds you believed with the whole strength of your convictions.</p>
<p><strong>What Is a Christian?</strong><br />
Nowadays it is not quite that. We have to be a little more vague in our meaning of Christianity. I think, however, that there are two different items which are quite essential to anybody calling himself a Christian. The first is one of a dogmatic nature &#8212; namely, that you must believe in God and immortality. If you do not believe in those two things, I do not think that you can properly call yourself a Christian. Then, further than that, as the name implies, you must have some kind of belief about Christ. The Mohammedans, for instance, also believe in God and in immortality, and yet they would not call themselves Christians. I think you must have at the very lowest the belief that Christ was, if not divine, at least the best and wisest of men. If you are not going to believe that much about Christ, I do not think you have any right to call yourself a Christian. Of course, there is another sense, which you find in Whitaker&#8217;s Almanack and in geography books, where the population of the world is said to be divided into Christians, Mohammedans, Buddhists, fetish worshipers, and so on; and in that sense we are all Christians. The geography books count us all in, but that is a purely geographical sense, which I suppose we can ignore.Therefore I take it that when I tell you why I am not a Christian I have to tell you two different things: first, why I do not believe in God and in immortality; and, secondly, why I do not think that Christ was the best and wisest of men, although I grant him a very high degree of moral goodness.<span id="more-2348"></span></p>
<p>But for the successful efforts of unbelievers in the past, I could not take so elastic a definition of Christianity as that. As I said before, in olden days it had a much more full-blooded sense. For instance, it included he belief in hell. Belief in eternal hell-fire was an essential item of Christian belief until pretty recent times. In this country, as you know, it ceased to be an essential item because of a decision of the Privy Council, and from that decision the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Archbishop of York dissented; but in this country our religion is settled by Act of Parliament, and therefore the Privy Council was able to override their Graces and hell was no longer necessary to a Christian. Consequently I shall not insist that a Christian must believe in hell.</p>
<p><strong>The Existence of God</strong><br />
To come to this question of the existence of God: it is a large and serious question, and if I were to attempt to deal with it in any adequate manner I should have to keep you here until Kingdom Come, so that you will have to excuse me if I deal with it in a somewhat summary fashion. You know, of course, that the Catholic Church has laid it down as a dogma that the existence of God can be proved by the unaided reason. That is a somewhat curious dogma, but it is one of their dogmas. They had to introduce it because at one time the freethinkers adopted the habit of saying that there were such and such arguments which mere reason might urge against the existence of God, but of course they knew as a matter of faith that God did exist. The arguments and the reasons were set out at great length, and the Catholic Church felt that they must stop it. Therefore they laid it down that the existence of God can be proved by the unaided reason and they had to set up what they considered were arguments to prove it. There are, of course, a number of them, but I shall take only a few.</p>
<p><strong>The First-Cause Argument</strong><br />
Perhaps the simplest and easiest to understand is the argument of the First Cause. (It is maintained that everything we see in this world has a cause, and as you go back in the chain of causes further and further you must come to a First Cause, and to that First Cause you give the name of God.) That argument, I suppose, does not carry very much weight nowadays, because, in the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and it has not anything like the vitality it used to have; but, apart from that, you can see that the argument that there must be a First Cause is one that cannot have any validity. I may say that when I was a young man and was debating these questions very seriously in my mind, I for a long time accepted the argument of the First Cause, until one day, at the age of eighteen, I read John Stuart Mill&#8217;s Autobiography, and I there found this sentence: &#8220;My father taught me that the question &#8216;Who made me?&#8217; cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question `Who made god?&#8217;&#8221; That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu&#8217;s view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, &#8220;How about the tortoise?&#8221; the Indian said, &#8220;Suppose we change the subject.&#8221; The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time upon the argument about the First Cause.</p>
<p><strong>The Natural-Law Argument</strong><br />
Then there is a very common argument from natural law. That was a favorite argument all through the eighteenth century, especially under the influence of Sir Isaac Newton and his cosmogony. People observed the planets going around the sun according to the law of gravitation, and they thought that God had given a behest to these planets to move in that particular fashion, and that was why they did so. That was, of course, a convenient and simple explanation that saved them the trouble of looking any further for explanations of the law of gravitation. Nowadays we explain the law of gravitation in a somewhat complicated fashion that Einstein has introduced. I do not propose to give you a lecture on the law of gravitation, as interpreted by Einstein, because that again would take some time; at any rate, you no longer have the sort of natural law that you had in the Newtonian system, where, for some reason that nobody could understand, nature behaved in a uniform fashion. We now find that a great many things we thought were natural laws are really human conventions. You know that even in the remotest depths of stellar space there are still three feet to a yard. That is, no doubt, a very remarkable fact, but you would hardly call it a law of nature. And a great many things that have been regarded as laws of nature are of that kind. On the other hand, where you can get down to any knowledge of what atoms actually do, you will find they are much less subject to law than people thought, and that the laws at which you arrive are statistical averages of just the sort that would emerge from chance. There is, as we all know, a law that if you throw dice you will get double sixes only about once in thirty-six times, and we do not regard that as evidence that the fall of the dice is regulated by design; on the contrary, if the double sixes came every time we should think that there was design. The laws of nature are of that sort as regards a great many of them. They are statistical averages such as would emerge from the laws of chance; and that makes this whole business of natural law much less impressive than it formerly was. Quite apart from that, which represents the momentary state of science that may change tomorrow, the whole idea that natural laws imply a lawgiver is due to a confusion between natural and human laws. Human laws are behests commanding you to behave a certain way, in which you may choose to behave, or you may choose not to behave; but natural laws are a description of how things do in fact behave, and being a mere description of what they in fact do, you cannot argue that there must be somebody who told them to do that, because even supposing that there were, you are then faced with the question &#8220;Why did God issue just those natural laws and no others?&#8221; If you say that he did it simply from his own good pleasure, and without any reason, you then find that there is something which is not subject to law, and so your train of natural law is interrupted. If you say, as more orthodox theologians do, that in all the laws which God issues he had a reason for giving those laws rather than others &#8212; the reason, of course, being to create the best universe, although you would never think it to look at it &#8212; if there were a reason for the laws which God gave, then God himself was subject to law, and therefore you do not get any advantage by introducing God as an intermediary. You really have a law outside and anterior to the divine edicts, and God does not serve your purpose, because he is not the ultimate lawgiver. In short, this whole argument about natural law no longer has anything like the strength that it used to have. I am traveling on in time in my review of the arguments. The arguments that are used for the existence of God change their character as time goes on. They were at first hard intellectual arguments embodying certain quite definite fallacies. As we come to modern times they become less respectable intellectually and more and more affected by a kind of moralizing vagueness.</p>
<p><strong>The Argument from Design</strong><br />
The next step in the process brings us to the argument from design. You all know the argument from design: everything in the world is made just so that we can manage to live in the world, and if the world was ever so little different, we could not manage to live in it. That is the argument from design. It sometimes takes a rather curious form; for instance, it is argued that rabbits have white tails in order to be easy to shoot. I do not know how rabbits would view that application. It is an easy argument to parody. You all know Voltaire&#8217;s remark, that obviously the nose was designed to be such as to fit spectacles. That sort of parody has turned out to be not nearly so wide of the mark as it might have seemed in the eighteenth century, because since the time of Darwin we understand much better why living creatures are adapted to their environment. It is not that their environment was made to be suitable to them but that they grew to be suitable to it, and that is the basis of adaptation. There is no evidence of design about it.</p>
<p>When you come to look into this argument from design, it is a most astonishing thing that people can believe that this world, with all the things that are in it, with all its defects, should be the best that omnipotence and omniscience have been able to produce in millions of years. I really cannot believe it. Do you think that, if you were granted omnipotence and omniscience and millions of years in which to perfect your world, you could produce nothing better than the Ku Klux Klan or the Fascists? Moreover, if you accept the ordinary laws of science, you have to suppose that human life and life in general on this planet will die out in due course: it is a stage in the decay of the solar system; at a certain stage of decay you get the sort of conditions of temperature and so forth which are suitable to protoplasm, and there is life for a short time in the life of the whole solar system. You see in the moon the sort of thing to which the earth is tending &#8212; something dead, cold, and lifeless.</p>
<p>I am told that that sort of view is depressing, and people will sometimes tell you that if they believed that, they would not be able to go on living. Do not believe it; it is all nonsense. Nobody really worries about much about what is going to happen millions of years hence. Even if they think they are worrying much about that, they are really deceiving themselves. They are worried about something much more mundane, or it may merely be a bad digestion; but nobody is really seriously rendered unhappy by the thought of something that is going to happen to this world millions and millions of years hence. Therefore, although it is of course a gloomy view to suppose that life will die out &#8212; at least I suppose we may say so, although sometimes when I contemplate the things that people do with their lives I think it is almost a consolation &#8212; it is not such as to render life miserable. It merely makes you turn your attention to other things.</p>
<p><strong>The Moral Arguments for a Deity</strong><br />
Now we reach one stage further in what I shall call the intellectual descent that the Theists have made in their argumentations, and we come to what are called the moral arguments for the existence of God. You all know, of course, that there used to be in the old days three intellectual arguments for the existence of God, all of which were disposed of by Immanuel Kant in the Critique of Pure Reason; but no sooner had he disposed of those arguments than he invented a new one, a moral argument, and that quite convinced him. He was like many people: in intellectual matters he was skeptical, but in moral matters he believed implicitly in the maxims that he had imbibed at his mother&#8217;s knee. That illustrates what the psychoanalysts so much emphasize &#8212; the immensely stronger hold upon us that our very early associations have than those of later times.</p>
<p>Kant, as I say, invented a new moral argument for the existence of God, and that in varying forms was extremely popular during the nineteenth century. It has all sorts of forms. One form is to say there would be no right or wrong unless God existed. I am not for the moment concerned with whether there is a difference between right and wrong, or whether there is not: that is another question. The point I am concerned with is that, if you are quite sure there is a difference between right and wrong, then you are in this situation: Is that difference due to God&#8217;s fiat or is it not? If it is due to God&#8217;s fiat, then for God himself there is no difference between right and wrong, and it is no longer a significant statement to say that God is good. If you are going to say, as theologians do, that God is good, you must then say that right and wrong have some meaning which is independent of God&#8217;s fiat, because God&#8217;s fiats are good and not bad independently of the mere fact that he made them. If you are going to say that, you will then have to say that it is not only through God that right and wrong came into being, but that they are in their essence logically anterior to God. You could, of course, if you liked, say that there was a superior deity who gave orders to the God that made this world, or could take up the line that some of the gnostics took up &#8212; a line which I often thought was a very plausible one &#8212; that as a matter of fact this world that we know was made by the devil at a moment when God was not looking. There is a good deal to be said for that, and I am not concerned to refute it.</p>
<p><strong>The Argument for the Remedying of Injustice</strong><br />
Then there is another very curious form of moral argument, which is this: they say that the existence of God is required in order to bring justice into the world. In the part of this universe that we know there is great injustice, and often the good suffer, and often the wicked prosper, and one hardly knows which of those is the more annoying; but if you are going to have justice in the universe as a whole you have to suppose a future life to redress the balance of life here on earth. So they say that there must be a God, and there must be Heaven and Hell in order that in the long run there may be justice. That is a very curious argument. If you looked at the matter from a scientific point of view, you would say, &#8220;After all, I only know this world. I do not know about the rest of the universe, but so far as one can argue at all on probabilities one would say that probably this world is a fair sample, and if there is injustice here the odds are that there is injustice elsewhere also.&#8221; Supposing you got a crate of oranges that you opened, and you found all the top layer of oranges bad, you would not argue, &#8220;The underneath ones must be good, so as to redress the balance.&#8221; You would say, &#8220;Probably the whole lot is a bad consignment&#8221;; and that is really what a scientific person would argue about the universe. He would say, &#8220;Here we find in this world a great deal of injustice, and so far as that goes that is a reason for supposing that justice does not rule in the world; and therefore so far as it goes it affords a moral argument against deity and not in favor of one.&#8221; Of course I know that the sort of intellectual arguments that I have been talking to you about are not what really moves people. What really moves people to believe in God is not any intellectual argument at all. Most people believe in God because they have been taught from early infancy to do it, and that is the main reason.</p>
<p>Then I think that the next most powerful reason is the wish for safety, a sort of feeling that there is a big brother who will look after you. That plays a very profound part in influencing people&#8217;s desire for a belief in God.</p>
<p><strong>The Character of Christ</strong><br />
I now want to say a few words upon a topic which I often think is not quite sufficiently dealt with by Rationalists, and that is the question whether Christ was the best and the wisest of men. It is generally taken for granted that we should all agree that that was so. I do not myself. I think that there are a good many points upon which I agree with Christ a great deal more than the professing Christians do. I do not know that I could go with Him all the way, but I could go with Him much further than most professing Christians can. You will remember that He said, &#8220;Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.&#8221; That is not a new precept or a new principle. It was used by Lao-tse and Buddha some 500 or 600 years before Christ, but it is not a principle which as a matter of fact Christians accept. I have no doubt that the present prime minister [Stanley Baldwin], for instance, is a most sincere Christian, but I should not advise any of you to go and smite him on one cheek. I think you might find that he thought this text was intended in a figurative sense.</p>
<p>Then there is another point which I consider excellent. You will remember that Christ said, &#8220;Judge not lest ye be judged.&#8221; That principle I do not think you would find was popular in the law courts of Christian countries. I have known in my time quite a number of judges who were very earnest Christians, and none of them felt that they were acting contrary to Christian principles in what they did. Then Christ says, &#8220;Give to him that asketh of thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.&#8221; That is a very good principle. Your Chairman has reminded you that we are not here to talk politics, but I cannot help observing that the last general election was fought on the question of how desirable it was to turn away from him that would borrow of thee, so that one must assume that the Liberals and Conservatives of this country are composed of people who do not agree with the teaching of Christ, because they certainly did very emphatically turn away on that occasion.</p>
<p>Then there is one other maxim of Christ which I think has a great deal in it, but I do not find that it is very popular among some of our Christian friends. He says, &#8220;If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor.&#8221; That is a very excellent maxim, but, as I say, it is not much practised. All these, I think, are good maxims, although they are a little difficult to live up to. I do not profess to live up to them myself; but then, after all, it is not quite the same thing as for a Christian.</p>
<p><strong>Defects in Christ&#8217;s Teaching</strong><br />
Having granted the excellence of these maxims, I come to certain points in which I do not believe that one can grant either the superlative wisdom or the superlative goodness of Christ as depicted in the Gospels; and here I may say that one is not concerned with the historical question. Historically it is quite doubtful whether Christ ever existed at all, and if He did we do not know anything about him, so that I am not concerned with the historical question, which is a very difficult one. I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospels, taking the Gospel narrative as it stands, and there one does find some things that do not seem to be very wise. For one thing, he certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time. There are a great many texts that prove that. He says, for instance, &#8220;Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.&#8221; Then he says, &#8220;There are some standing here which shall not taste death till the Son of Man comes into His kingdom&#8221;; and there are a lot of places where it is quite clear that He believed that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living. That was the belief of His earlier followers, and it was the basis of a good deal of His moral teaching. When He said, &#8220;Take no thought for the morrow,&#8221; and things of that sort, it was very largely because He thought that the second coming was going to be very soon, and that all ordinary mundane affairs did not count. I have, as a matter of fact, known some Christians who did believe that the second coming was imminent. I knew a parson who frightened his congregation terribly by telling them that the second coming was very imminent indeed, but they were much consoled when they found that he was planting trees in his garden. The early Christians did really believe it, and they did abstain from such things as planting trees in their gardens, because they did accept from Christ the belief that the second coming was imminent. In that respect, clearly He was not so wise as some other people have been, and He was certainly not superlatively wise.</p>
<p><strong>The Moral Problem</strong><br />
Then you come to moral questions. There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ&#8217;s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment. Christ certainly as depicted in the Gospels did believe in everlasting punishment, and one does find repeatedly a vindictive fury against those people who would not listen to His preaching &#8212; an attitude which is not uncommon with preachers, but which does somewhat detract from superlative excellence. You do not, for instance find that attitude in Socrates. You find him quite bland and urbane toward the people who would not listen to him; and it is, to my mind, far more worthy of a sage to take that line than to take the line of indignation. You probably all remember the sorts of things that Socrates was saying when he was dying, and the sort of things that he generally did say to people who did not agree with him.</p>
<p>You will find that in the Gospels Christ said, &#8220;Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell.&#8221; That was said to people who did not like His preaching. It is not really to my mind quite the best tone, and there are a great many of these things about Hell. There is, of course, the familiar text about the sin against the Holy Ghost: &#8220;Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven him neither in this World nor in the world to come.&#8221; That text has caused an unspeakable amount of misery in the world, for all sorts of people have imagined that they have committed the sin against the Holy Ghost, and thought that it would not be forgiven them either in this world or in the world to come. I really do not think that a person with a proper degree of kindliness in his nature would have put fears and terrors of that sort into the world.</p>
<p>Then Christ says, &#8220;The Son of Man shall send forth his His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth&#8221;; and He goes on about the wailing and gnashing of teeth. It comes in one verse after another, and it is quite manifest to the reader that there is a certain pleasure in contemplating wailing and gnashing of teeth, or else it would not occur so often. Then you all, of course, remember about the sheep and the goats; how at the second coming He is going to divide the sheep from the goats, and He is going to say to the goats, &#8220;Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.&#8221; He continues, &#8220;And these shall go away into everlasting fire.&#8221; Then He says again, &#8220;If thy hand offend thee, cut it off; it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into Hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched; where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.&#8221; He repeats that again and again also. I must say that I think all this doctrine, that hell-fire is a punishment for sin, is a doctrine of cruelty. It is a doctrine that put cruelty into the world and gave the world generations of cruel torture; and the Christ of the Gospels, if you could take Him asHis chroniclers represent Him, would certainly have to be considered partly responsible for that.</p>
<p>There are other things of less importance. There is the instance of the Gadarene swine, where it certainly was not very kind to the pigs to put the devils into them and make them rush down the hill into the sea. You must remember that He was omnipotent, and He could have made the devils simply go away; but He chose to send them into the pigs. Then there is the curious story of the fig tree, which always rather puzzled me. You remember what happened about the fig tree. &#8220;He was hungry; and seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, He came if haply He might find anything thereon; and when He came to it He found nothing but leaves, for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it: &#8216;No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever&#8217; . . . and Peter . . . saith unto Him: &#8216;Master, behold the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.&#8217;&#8221; This is a very curious story, because it was not the right time of year for figs, and you really could not blame the tree. I cannot myself feel that either in the matter of wisdom or in the matter of virtue Christ stands quite as high as some other people known to history. I think I should put Buddha and Socrates above Him in those respects.</p>
<p><strong>The Emotional Factor</strong><br />
As I said before, I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion has anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it. You know, of course, the parody of that argument in Samuel Butler&#8217;s book, Erewhon Revisited. You will remember that in Erewhon there is a certain Higgs who arrives in a remote country, and after spending some time there he escapes from that country in a balloon. Twenty years later he comes back to that country and finds a new religion in which he is worshiped under the name of the &#8220;Sun Child,&#8221; and it is said that he ascended into heaven. He finds that the Feast of the Ascension is about to be celebrated, and he hears Professors Hanky and Panky say to each other that they never set eyes on the man Higgs, and they hope they never will; but they are the high priests of the religion of the Sun Child. He is very indignant, and he comes up to them, and he says, &#8220;I am going to expose all this humbug and tell the people of Erewhon that it was only I, the man Higgs, and I went up in a balloon.&#8221; He was told, &#8220;You must not do that, because all the morals of this country are bound round this myth, and if they once know that you did not ascend into Heaven they will all become wicked&#8221;; and so he is persuaded of that and he goes quietly away.</p>
<p>That is the idea &#8212; that we should all be wicked if we did not hold to the Christian religion. It seems to me that the people who have held to it have been for the most part extremely wicked. You find this curious fact, that the more intense has been the religion of any period and the more profound has been the dogmatic belief, the greater has been the cruelty and the worse has been the state of affairs. In the so-called ages of faith, when men really did believe the Christian religion in all its completeness, there was the Inquisition, with all its tortures; there were millions of unfortunate women burned as witches; and there was every kind of cruelty practiced upon all sorts of people in the name of religion.</p>
<p>You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.</p>
<p><strong>How the Churches Have Retarded Progress</strong><br />
You may think that I am going too far when I say that that is still so. I do not think that I am. Take one fact. You will bear with me if I mention it. It is not a pleasant fact, but the churches compel one to mention facts that are not pleasant. Supposing that in this world that we live in today an inexperienced girl is married to a syphilitic man; in that case the Catholic Church says, &#8220;This is an indissoluble sacrament. You must endure celibacy or stay together. And if you stay together, you must not use birth control to prevent the birth of syphilitic children.&#8221; Nobody whose natural sympathies have not been warped by dogma, or whose moral nature was not absolutely dead to all sense of suffering, could maintain that it is right and proper that that state of things should continue.</p>
<p>That is only an example. There are a great many ways in which, at the present moment, the church, by its insistence upon what it chooses to call morality, inflicts upon all sorts of people undeserved and unnecessary suffering. And of course, as we know, it is in its major part an opponent still of progress and improvement in all the ways that diminish suffering in the world, because it has chosen to label as morality a certain narrow set of rules of conduct which have nothing to do with human happiness; and when you say that this or that ought to be done because it would make for human happiness, they think that has nothing to do with the matter at all. &#8220;What has human happiness to do with morals? The object of morals is not to make people happy.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Fear, the Foundation of Religion</strong><br />
Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly, as I have said, the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing &#8212; fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a better place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it.</p>
<p><strong>What We Must Do</strong><br />
We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world &#8212; its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it. The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.users.drew.edu/~jlenz/brs.html" target="_blank">The Bertrand Russell Society</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks Mr. Russell, I couldn&#8217;t agree more!</p>

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		<title>Why Does God Hate Pigs?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2300" title="128993549193708521" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521-450x289.jpg" alt="128993549193708521" width="349" height="224" /></a>More to the point, why do Jews and Muslims hate pigs, since god doesn&#8217;t exist. But for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s look at the bible and quran to see what they say about the other white meat.</p>
<p>Question: Are pigs native to the Middle East, then? If no decent jew or muslim could eat them, why were they raised and by whom?</p>
<p>God seems quite fickle about what were were to eat:</p>
<ul>
<li>Adam and Eve are supposed to eat a vegan diet: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html#29" target="_blank">Genesis 1:29</a>: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.</li>
<li>Noah and his sons can eat any living thing, but they have to drain the blood first: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/9.html#2" [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2300" title="128993549193708521" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521-450x289.jpg" alt="128993549193708521" width="349" height="224" /></a>More to the point, why do Jews and Muslims hate pigs, since god doesn&#8217;t exist. But for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s look at the bible and quran to see what they say about the other white meat.</p>
<p>Question: Are pigs native to the Middle East, then? If no decent jew or muslim could eat them, why were they raised and by whom?</p>
<p>God seems quite fickle about what were were to eat:</p>
<ul>
<li>Adam and Eve are supposed to eat a vegan diet: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html#29" target="_blank">Genesis 1:29</a>: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.</li>
<li>Noah and his sons can eat any living thing, but they have to drain the blood first: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/9.html#2" target="_blank">Genesis 9:2-4</a>: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.</li>
</ul>
<p>That didn&#8217;t last long because in Deuteronomy and Leviticus he gets into all the things that are forbidden. Here I&#8217;ll highlight the references to swine.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/11.html#7" target="_blank">Leviticus 11:7</a>: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.</li>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/14.html#8" target="_blank">Deuteronomy 14:8</a>: And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.<span id="more-2299"></span></li>
</ul>
<p>In Proverbs, we see more insults to the pig and loose women:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/pr/11.html#22" target="_blank">Proverbs 11:22</a>: As a jewel of gold in a swine&#8217;s snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2301" title="funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1-450x300.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1" width="353" height="235" /></a>In Isaiah, eating swineflesh or mice means god will have to kill you:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/is/66.html#16" target="_blank">Isaiah 66:16-17</a>: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. God will &#8220;plead with all flesh&#8221; with fire and sword, &#8220;and the slain of the Lord shall be many.&#8221;  They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine&#8217;s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.</li>
</ul>
<p>What does the new testament say about the pig?</p>
<p>Jesus obviously hated pigs. He killed a whole herd of them in the gospels:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/8.html#28" target="_blank">Matthew 8:32</a>: And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Same story <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/5.html#7" target="_blank">Mark 5:7-17</a>, <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/lk/8.html#26" target="_blank">Luke 8:26-37</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p>In all three accounts Jesus and his posse are asked to leave. Maybe because they were valuable pigs.</p>
<p>Why drive demons into a herd of swine? Isn&#8217;t that wasteful? Who&#8217;s herd was it? Why would anyone be raising pigs if Jews couldn&#8217;t eat them? Why not just zap the demons with laser eyes or something? Jesus was so unimaginative, if you ask me. (Don&#8217;t even get me started about his <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/21.html#19" target="_blank">hatred of a fig tree</a>)</p>
<p>Jesus also insults pigs (as well as dogs):</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/7.html#6" target="_blank">Matthew 7:6</a>: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-bacon-not-done.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2302" title="funny-pictures-bacon-not-done" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-bacon-not-done-450x337.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-bacon-not-done" width="381" height="285" /></a>But then, to confuse matters (we know how consistent and On Message the bible is), Some heavenly voice talks to Peter. It&#8217;s apparently the lord.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/acts/10.html#10" target="_blank">Acts 10:10-16</a>: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.</li>
</ul>
<p>So if god cleans it, then it&#8217;s not common and OK to eat? Oh, these weird visions. Even Peter didn&#8217;t know what the hell it meant.</p>
<p>Now in Romans, we have more conflicting messages:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/14.html#2" target="_blank">Romans 14:2</a>: For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.</li>
</ul>
<p>So if you are a believer you can eat anything, but you&#8217;re weak if you&#8217;re a vegetarian? But wait! There&#8217;s more!</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/14.html#14" target="_blank">Romans 14:14-15</a>: I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.</li>
</ul>
<p>Ok, now nothing is unclean (yay, bacon!) of itself, but if you <em>think</em> it&#8217;s icky, then it&#8217;s icky. Is that like <em>The Secret</em> or something? Your thoughts make things dirty? What is the second verse? Christ died for bacon? No? Well it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me. (Then again I&#8217;m a <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1tim/2.html#11" target="_blank">lowly woman</a> and I can&#8217;t teach or ask questions about the bible, so this is all circumspect anyway.)</p>
<p>One more:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/14.html#21" target="_blank">Romans 14:21</a>: It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.</li>
</ul>
<p>Srsly, WTF? That&#8217;s the same chapter! Am I the only one who finds it confusing?</p>
<p>Speaking of Timothy:</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1tim/4.html#1" target="_blank">1 Timothy 4:1-4</a>: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/swine-flu-origins.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2303" title="swine-flu-origins" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/swine-flu-origins-450x337.png" alt="swine-flu-origins" width="396" height="296" /></a>So some will leave the faith and become vegetarians. I guess that&#8217;s bad? But it clarifies the issue, that now every creature of god is good and not to be refused. Just be thankful about it. I guess they got tired of not eating pork and rabbits and other creatures. Probably because they were low on goats, having sacrificed so many to their god (<a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/1.html#13" target="_blank">who loves the smell of burning flesh</a>.. NOM!)</p>
<p>Now, just to be fair, allah in the quran also hates pigs but only has to mention it twice:</p>
<ul>
<li>The Cow <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/2/index.htm#173" target="_blank">2:173</a>: He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.</li>
</ul>
<p>So, as a side note, islam talks of other gods, then too. But like christianity and judaism, you have to only worship the one hateful god of your people, I guess.</p>
<ul>
<li>The Table Spread <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/5/#3" target="_blank">5:3</a>: Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.</li>
</ul>
<p>Oh, and saying allah is merciful and forgiving in between mentioning all the doom he&#8217;s going to heap on you for any little thing doesn&#8217;t lessen the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance" target="_blank">cognitive dissonance</a> (aka, the CRAZY).</p>

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		<title>OhmyGAWD, BECKY!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A secret friend of mine, who shall remain nameless, sent me a message the other day on Facebook with a link to the following video. I finally got a chance to watch it earlier today and I have to say, I am still shaking my head in awe. Either this is a brilliant example of Poe&#8217;s Law, or this is honest to goodness flat-out crazy bible-thumping madness. I was thinking it MUST be a poe (spoof/fake, see below), but after I watched it, I went to the video&#8217;s page on youtube and the guy posting it is momentumchurch. If he&#8217;s faking it, he&#8217;s going all out. I really think he means what he&#8217;s singing about. Can you say GLORY AMEN!</p>
<p>Really, give yourself a 4 minute break and watch this. You will crack up in pure horror. Even the baby jesus is mortified. But DAMN, his ring and necklace [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A secret friend of mine, who shall remain nameless, sent me a message the other day on Facebook with a link to the following video. I finally got a chance to watch it earlier today and I have to say, I am still shaking my head in awe. Either this is a brilliant example of Poe&#8217;s Law, or this is honest to goodness flat-out crazy bible-thumping madness. I was thinking it MUST be a poe (spoof/fake, see below), but after I watched it, I went to the video&#8217;s page on youtube and the guy posting it is momentumchurch. If he&#8217;s faking it, he&#8217;s going all out. I really think he means what he&#8217;s singing about. Can you say GLORY AMEN!</p>
<p>Really, give yourself a 4 minute break and watch this. You will crack up in pure horror. Even the baby jesus is mortified. But DAMN, his ring and necklace combo is sexy! It makes me HOLY! HALLELUJAH! LOL!</p>
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<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law#N.E2.80.93Q" target="_blank">Poe&#8217;s Law (fundamentalism)</a>: &#8220;Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won&#8217;t mistake for the real thing,&#8221; named after Nathan Poe who formulated it on christianforums.com in 2005. Although it originally referred to creationism, the scope later widened to religious fundamentalism.</p>

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		<title>Scientific Explanation For Supernatural Events</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/plague-cat.jpg" alt="plague-cat" title="plague-cat" width="199" height="250" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2082" />Most people look back on history, and see supernatural explanation attached to events that we can now explain scientifically. The sun setting and rising, the weather, crops growing and dieing, lightning, tides, etc. One of the things that still amazes me though is how so many religious people cling to a literal interpretation of the Bible. Thus clinging to a belief that the supernatural explanations in the Bible really are supernatural events; even though there are scientific explanations for most.</p>
<p>Most of us (skeptics, non-believers, etc) know there is no historical, archeological, or other scientific evidence for the Israelites residing in and exodus from Egypt. But if we suspend our skepticism for a moment, could there be some scientific explanation for some of the supernatural events?</p>
<p><font size=3><strong>Ten plagues. Ten scientific explanations.</strong></font><span id="more-2080"></span><br />
<blockquote>In 1400 B.C., a group of nervous Egyptians saw the Nile turn red. But what they thought was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/plague-cat.jpg" alt="plague-cat" title="plague-cat" width="199" height="250" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2082" />Most people look back on history, and see supernatural explanation attached to events that we can now explain scientifically. The sun setting and rising, the weather, crops growing and dieing, lightning, tides, etc. One of the things that still amazes me though is how so many religious people cling to a literal interpretation of the Bible. Thus clinging to a belief that the supernatural explanations in the Bible really are supernatural events; even though there are scientific explanations for most.</p>
<p>Most of us (skeptics, non-believers, etc) know there is no historical, archeological, or other scientific evidence for the Israelites residing in and exodus from Egypt. But if we suspend our skepticism for a moment, could there be some scientific explanation for some of the supernatural events?</p>
<p><font size=3><strong>Ten plagues. Ten scientific explanations.</strong></font><span id="more-2080"></span><br />
<blockquote>In 1400 B.C., a group of nervous Egyptians saw the Nile turn red. But what they thought was blood was actually an algae bloom which killed the fish, which prior to that had been living off the eggs of frogs. Those uneaten eggs turned into record numbers of baby frogs who subsequently fled to the land and died. Their little rotting frog bodies attracted lice and flies. The lice carried the bluetongue virus, which killed 70% of Egypt&#8217;s livestock. The flies carried glanders, a bacterial infection which in humans causes boils. Soon afterwards, the Nile River Valley was hit with a three-day sandstorm otherwise known as the plague of darkness. During the sandstorm, intense heat can combine with an approaching cold front to create not only hail, but also electrical storms which would have looked to the ancient Egyptians like fire from the sky. The subsequent wind would have blown the Ethiopian locust population off course and right into downtown Cairo. Hail is wet, locusts leave droppings, spread both on your grain, and you have got mycrotoxins. Dinnertime in ancient Egypt meant the first-born child got the biggest portion which in this case meant he ate the most toxins, so he died. Ten plagues. Ten scientific explanations.</p></blockquote>
<p>For a more dramatic delivery, here&#8217;s the audio version:<br />
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<p>This is an excerpt from <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0444682/" target="_blank"><em>The Reaping</em></a> starring Hilary Swank. Although Hollywood is giving us a dramatic delivery, and simplifying it, they are just spouting pseudoscience.</p>
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<p>Okay you can resume your skepticism again. There is still no historical, archeological, or other scientific evidence for the plagues, but at least there is a plausible scientific explanation for supernatural events.</p>

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