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		<title>Advertisements and Logical Fallacies Part 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2610 alignright" title="funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible-450x284.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="284" /></a>Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking about logical fallacies used in advertising and marketing. The argument from authority when someone in a lab coat tells you what to buy, argumentum ad populum which is &#8220;appeal to the people&#8221; because everyone else is buying this product so you should too.</p>
<p>One of my pet peeves is multigrain labels emblazoned on foods lately. Technically the food has more than one grain in it, but they are touting the product as something healthy when they have still stripped all fiber and goodness out, so the health benefits are still lacking. This is very popular in cereals, and unless you read the label you&#8217;d think you were buying something healthy, when really it&#8217;s just as junky as cocoa puffs.</p>
<p>The &#8220;no sugar added&#8221; label is another one I find quite vague. There are several different iterations of this one. No sugar added, sugar free, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2610 alignright" title="funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible-450x284.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="284" /></a>Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking about logical fallacies used in advertising and marketing. The argument from authority when someone in a lab coat tells you what to buy, argumentum ad populum which is &#8220;appeal to the people&#8221; because everyone else is buying this product so you should too.</p>
<p>One of my pet peeves is multigrain labels emblazoned on foods lately. Technically the food has more than one grain in it, but they are touting the product as something healthy when they have still stripped all fiber and goodness out, so the health benefits are still lacking. This is very popular in cereals, and unless you read the label you&#8217;d think you were buying something healthy, when really it&#8217;s just as junky as cocoa puffs.</p>
<p>The &#8220;no sugar added&#8221; label is another one I find quite vague. There are several different iterations of this one. No sugar added, sugar free, the list goes on. What do they all mean? Again, you have to carefully read the nutrition facts and ingredients to get a better picture of what you&#8217;ll be buying.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s basically the idea that advertisers must follow the letter of the law but not the spirit of it. So for something like Airborne (which I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/09/30/thinking-hard-work/">ranted about before</a>), they can make vague claims that basically say nothing to skirt the issue that there is no science behind their product. Then, to make it worse, they strategically make sure it&#8217;s placed near the pharmacy to appeal to authority. I think in some places they have signs saying that pharmacists recommend Airborne. But really, to make that claim you only have to pay two pharmacists to say what you want to be truthful.</p>
<p>I find it all incredibly frustrating and discouraging. And the only solution is to be aggressively proactive about shopping and watching ads or commercials. Be skeptical!</p>
<p>This is part one of tackling this topic for three reasons.</p>
<ul>
<li>One, I don&#8217;t think we can do it justice in one post.</li>
<li>Two, I really want your feedback. What are your pet peeves in advertising? What examples stand out for you? What logical fallacies do you see in advertising and marketing?</li>
<li>And three, I just got the new parts for my computer and have to build my newer, better, faster computer today (with the help of my geek friend, Gary. Thanks Gary!). <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  This is my birthday present from my sweetie. Thanks, my love! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
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<p>Ok, I&#8217;m off to go fiddle with my new computer parts. Hopefully it all goes well. I look forward to hearing from you about fallacies in advertising! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/logical-fallacies/" title="Logical Fallacies (November 19, 2008)">Logical Fallacies</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/23/what-are-you-doing-november-19/" title="What Are You Doing November 19? (September 23, 2009)">What Are You Doing November 19?</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/05/religulous-were-on-the-road-to-nowhere/" title="Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere (January 5, 2009)">Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere</a> (3)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/15/logical-fallacy-theater-in-4-acts/" title="Logical Fallacy Theater in 4 Acts (January 15, 2010)">Logical Fallacy Theater in 4 Acts</a> (8)</li>
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		<title>The New Ten Commandments</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2593" title="ceiling cat disapproves" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846-322x450.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="315" /></a>Awhile ago I wrote about the <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/23/my-personal-10-commandments/">10 commandment</a>s. I then rewrote them for my personal moral code, calling them <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/09/neeces-10-commandments-list/">Neece&#8217;s Principles</a>. No need to have anyone commanding anyone.</p>
<p>Christopher Hitchens just wrote a 3 page piece for Vanity Fair about the 10 commandments titled <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/04/hitchens-201004" target="_blank">The New Commandments</a>. He goes through the KJV version and talks about where they are good and where they are not so good. Here is his summation:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What emerges from the first review is this: the Ten Commandments were derived from situational ethics. They show every symptom of having been man-made and improvised under pressure. They are addressed to a nomadic tribe whose main economy is primitive agriculture and whose wealth is sometimes counted in people as well as animals. They are also addressed to a group that has been promised the land and flocks of other people: the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2593" title="ceiling cat disapproves" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/128800709181636846-322x450.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="315" /></a>Awhile ago I wrote about the <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/23/my-personal-10-commandments/">10 commandment</a>s. I then rewrote them for my personal moral code, calling them <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/09/neeces-10-commandments-list/">Neece&#8217;s Principles</a>. No need to have anyone commanding anyone.</p>
<p>Christopher Hitchens just wrote a 3 page piece for Vanity Fair about the 10 commandments titled <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/04/hitchens-201004" target="_blank">The New Commandments</a>. He goes through the KJV version and talks about where they are good and where they are not so good. Here is his summation:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What emerges from the first review is this: the Ten Commandments were derived from situational ethics. They show every symptom of having been man-made and improvised under pressure. They are addressed to a nomadic tribe whose main economy is primitive agriculture and whose wealth is sometimes counted in people as well as animals. They are also addressed to a group that has been promised the land and flocks of other people: the Amalekites and Midianites and others whom God orders them to kill, rape, enslave, or exterminate. And this, too, is important because at every step of their arduous journey the Israelites are reminded to keep to the laws, not because they are right but just because they will lead them to become conquerors (of, as it happens, almost the only part of the Middle East that has no oil).</p>
<p>So here is a rundown of how he fixes them:</p>
<ul>
<li>One to Three can go, &#8220;since they have nothing to do with morality and are no more than a long, rasping throat clearing by an admittedly touchy dictator. Mere fear of unseen authority is not a sound basis for ethics.&#8221; (the invisible sky daddy flexes his muscles and demands worship.).</li>
<li>He also says we don&#8217;t have to ban sculpture and art (idols).</li>
<li>Four. Gone. Pointless. (don&#8217;t work on the sabbath, except black sabbath, of course!)</li>
<li>Five, respect elders, sure. But also ban child abuse. What a concept! (I&#8217;d add that parents should only get respect like anyone else, when they earn it.)</li>
<li>Six, taken care of by modern law. Don&#8217;t murder. (Don&#8217;t kill under almost all circumstances.) (although I think assisted suicide for terminally ill people should be legal)</li>
<li>Seven, he seems to destroy too.  (adultery) (and yeah, what about saying rape is bad? especially pedophilia and that kind of stuff?)</li>
<li>Eight, ok. This one is good. Don&#8217;t steal. (stealing)</li>
<li>Nine, don&#8217;t lie. Also basically good. (lying about your neighbor)</li>
<li>Ten, women aren&#8217;t property. This one is pointless and harmful in that it makes you a sinner just from your thoughts. (don&#8217;t lust after your neighbor&#8217;s goods or wife)</li>
</ul>
<p>Other evils of human society that should be denounced, according to Hitchens:</p>
<ul>
<li>genocide</li>
<li>slavery</li>
<li>rape</li>
<li>child abuse</li>
<li>sexual repression</li>
<li>white-collar crime</li>
<li>wanton destruction of the natural world</li>
<li>people who talk on cell phones in restaurants (and movie theatres, or who talk on the phone or text while driving!)</li>
<li>people who blow themselves up while shouting &#8216;god is great!&#8217; (and any other kind of jihadism or crusade)</li>
<li>racism</li>
<li>using people as private property</li>
<li>condemning people for their inborn nature (like homosexuality, etc)</li>
</ul>
<p>And this is how he finishes:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above. In short: Do not swallow your moral code in tablet form.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good advice! I think I stand by the principles I came up with for myself. What are yours? Do you agree with Christopher Hitchens?</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/09/neeces-10-commandments-list/" title="Neece&#8217;s Principles (October 9, 2009)">Neece&#8217;s Principles</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/11/should-religion-be-taught-to-minors/" title="Should Religion Be Taught To Minors? (October 11, 2009)">Should Religion Be Taught To Minors?</a> (13)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/23/my-personal-10-commandments/" title="My Personal 10 Commandments (August 23, 2009)">My Personal 10 Commandments</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/25/morals-ethics-and-pope-benedict-evil/" title="Morals, Ethics and Pope Benedict Evil (March 25, 2009)">Morals, Ethics and Pope Benedict Evil</a> (13)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/18/being-good-without-god-is-natural/" title="Being Good Without God Is Natural (February 18, 2010)">Being Good Without God Is Natural</a> (4)</li>
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		<title>Don&#8217;t Assume I&#8217;m A Sensitive Soul</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/03/04/dont-assume-im-a-sensitive-soul/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2582 alignright" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="295" /></a>I received this email from a woman the other day. After careful thought I replied to it and decided it was worth sharing.</p>
<p>Here is the email in its entirety:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Thank you for sharing “<a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/25/wild-geese-by-mary-oliver-my-favorite-poem/">Wild Geese</a>”.  After Joe Biden used most of this poem as his reflection upon the anniversary of 9/11, I went in search of the poem. The two of Mary Oliver’s collections I own did not include it. I was happy to find it at your site and amazed, actually.  Amazed and delighted, because a poem I find so “religious” is at the same time such a balm for you.  I grew up Roman Catholic; I am now an Episcopal priest.  I am convinced after 20 years that what most people throw away – the cats they heave – are indeed worth heaving.  Sometimes we have to go deeper, below the interpretations of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2582 alignright" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-basement-cat-loves-his-job.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="295" /></a>I received this email from a woman the other day. After careful thought I replied to it and decided it was worth sharing.</p>
<p>Here is the email in its entirety:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Thank you for sharing “<a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/25/wild-geese-by-mary-oliver-my-favorite-poem/">Wild Geese</a>”.  After Joe Biden used most of this poem as his reflection upon the anniversary of 9/11, I went in search of the poem. The two of Mary Oliver’s collections I own did not include it. I was happy to find it at your site and amazed, actually.  Amazed and delighted, because a poem I find so “religious” is at the same time such a balm for you.  I grew up Roman Catholic; I am now an Episcopal priest.  I am convinced after 20 years that what most people throw away – the cats they heave – are indeed worth heaving.  Sometimes we have to go deeper, below the interpretations of history, to find our own deeper truth.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Yes, a “barbarous” God exists in the pages of the Bible:  What all-kind God and Father would will the death of a Beloved Son?  How could God command Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a test of faith? Isn’t that sadistic?  Yes, indeed.  On the face of it.  For us in the 21st century these stories are barbaric. They are foreign to our experience. They were not foreign to the persons for whom they were written when the “first fruits” in ancient societies were offered up to the deity – including in some cases, the first born child. In some places in later writings there seems to be a critique of these practices in the Bible itself.  The question becomes, it seems to me, is it worth reinterpreting these stories for our own time, or do we jettison them and replace them with our own stories of sacrificial obedience and love?   Yes, life does involve sacrifice – we give up our children constantly to the gods of war who exact a savage price. There are no rams in the thicket to take their place …</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But the same source of barbarism comments on itself in texts of amazing love and mercy.  We cannot hear these texts enough.<span id="more-2580"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I hope the love, mercy is what you kept when you threw away the dead cat of guilt and the burdens of all that teaching that depressed and suffocated you.  If you are still seeking a metaphor or metaphors for the love that is the universe and your place in it, Mary Oliver’s poetry surely hints at it in all its complexity. It is worth the search if you are willing to expand your conversation to include persons who have made a transition through the grief and disillusion you have experienced.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">You have purified your heart. You have surrounded yourself with friends eager to  share what they’ve rejected. Is it time to resume the search for what you seek and share what you have found as a replacement that has enriched you spiritually, given you new life? Perhaps you have done so.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Please forgive me if I’ve “pried” too much or presumed too much. You are obviously a sensitive soul. Thank you again for sharing a favorite poem.</p>
<p>And here is my reply:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Thank you for your email. I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed Wild Geese. It&#8217;s a great poem. Funny that you find it religious. It seems very anti-religious to me, which is why I like it. I guess it&#8217;s down to interpretation. I also think you are very presumptuous with your assumptions of me. My character is not nearly as weak as you suggest. The poem is not a balm to me. I find it inspirational, but I don&#8217;t need to be soothed by it. I find it delightful. Perhaps it might be best to not assume what others are thinking and maybe just ask them.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">You immediately go into apologetics with your loose, cherry-picked interpretations of the bible. If a caring, loving god inspired the words of the bible, I&#8217;m sure slavery would not have been condoned, nor the rape of daughters, nor the hatred of your own family (that was Jesus, by the way. How loving was that?) If it can&#8217;t be taken literally, then the whole book is just about how you interpret it, which means it can mean anything, which means it&#8217;s completely worthless as a guide. It IS completely worthless as a guide anyway. It was written in the middle east in the iron age by goat herders. It has zero relevance for today. It is filled with hate and murder with the occasional rape. Lovely. How you can find anything worthwhile in there is beyond me.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What little bit of &#8220;wisdom&#8221; in the bible is not original or new. The Golden Rule? Older than Jesus. He didn&#8217;t come up with it. If he even existed, which is highly doubtful.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">So no, it isn&#8217;t worth reinterpreting those fables into stories for our own time. We don&#8217;t need them. They fuel hate in people who interpret them literally, and just confuse good people who think they are the word of their god. They are completely useless to society.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And no, why do we need to replace them with more sacrificial obedience? Why do you need that? How is that healthy to anyone? Love, sure. We can all use love. But the bible is very thin in that department. Give me a book like The Golden Compass. That has love. And even sacrifice for the good of all mankind. A great epic story with no mixed messages to confuse people. It even has god.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Life involves compromise and sometimes sacrifice. But teaching children ethics, critical thinking and basic philosophy while giving them love will give them the structure they need to build their own moral code. Not one based on blind obedience and fear of eternal damnation if they make a mistake. How could a loving god torture his creation for all eternity just because they aren&#8217;t blindly worshiping him? He needs some serious psychotherapy. That&#8217;s insane.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I kept nothing from the bible or my early indoctrination into christianity. I have jettisoned the guilt and fear. There was no love to be had. There was only that blind sacrificial obedience you mentioned. That is not love. That is sickness.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And you presumed again that it depressed and suffocated me. I find that offensive that you would presume to know me. Do you talk to your parishioners with such condescension? Why not ask someone what they are thinking instead of arrogantly assuming.  I did not experience grief. Although of course I was disillusioned by the lies of religion.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Shaking off the lies of the church, ridding myself of that sick pack of lies was the most liberating, uplifting, positive step I&#8217;ve ever taken.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Again, you presume that I am seeking some great truth. How patronizing. For me, the completely natural workings of the universe inspire and awe me daily. That is my truth and I am quite happy to explore it often. I don&#8217;t need to find some god or false belief in a supreme being, or the ridiculous reward of an afterlife. I am happy to have nature in all its complexity. Science is fantastic. That&#8217;s all I need. It&#8217;s quite satisfying to rid myself of superstitions and myths. You should try it. It&#8217;s quite liberating. Maybe it will help you to ask people their feelings and thoughts instead of filtering what you think they experience through your own worldview.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Oh, and you don&#8217;t know who my friends are either. Again with the presumptions. I guess you probably don&#8217;t think I&#8221;m a sensitive soul anymore. Well, when someone I&#8217;ve never met claims to know me so intimately, I get a bit irritated. I don&#8217;t have a soul. Neither do you. Live this life for today, not for a future promise which doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed the poem. But just because I like it too, obviously for very different reasons, doesn&#8217;t mean I think like you or share your delusions.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I hope someday you too can shake off the shackles of blind faith, sacrificial obedience, repression and future rewards for constant servitude.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Have a great day!</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/12/belief-unbelief-scientific-method/" title="Belief, Unbelief and The Scientific Method (December 12, 2008)">Belief, Unbelief and The Scientific Method</a> (19)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/06/23/10-reasons-to-believe-in-god/" title="10 Reasons To Believe In god? (June 23, 2009)">10 Reasons To Believe In god?</a> (24)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/testimonial/fruitloop/" title="Neece (July 31, 2008)">Neece</a> (1)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/05/31/conversations-with-ash-1-answering-questions/" title="Conversations With Ash: 1 &#8211; Answering Questions (May 31, 2009)">Conversations With Ash: 1 &#8211; Answering Questions</a> (9)</li>
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		<title>I&#8217;m Curious!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1242184712588_f.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2527" title="basement cat eats nutrishus brekfast" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1242184712588_f-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="426" height="320" /></a>The other day I shared my <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/13/podcasts-and-internet-radio-stations-you-may-enjoy/" target="_blank">favorite podcasts</a>, one of which was the SGU. Well, I just found a new one! From Skepchick.org with Rebecca Watson comes a new podcast  called <a href="http://www.curiosityaroused.com/" target="_blank">Curiosity  Aroused</a>. There&#8217;s one episode up now which is about calorie  restriction for long life. The episode is about 20 minutes long and you can subscribe through iTunes.</p>
<p>In the first episode, they talk to Monica Reinagel who is pretty neat in her own right. She&#8217;s a nutrition expert and through her short podcast and blog she helps weed through the hype and nonsense of nutrition. As a person who wonders what is fact and what is bullshit when it comes to food, diet and the like, it&#8217;s very cool to find a resource for good information.</p>
<p>Here are her sites:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nutritiondata.com/" target="_blank">www.nutritiondata.com</a>: her <a href="http://blog.nutritiondata.com/ndblog/" target="_blank">blog</a> is on here along with a wealth of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1242184712588_f.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2527" title="basement cat eats nutrishus brekfast" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1242184712588_f-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="426" height="320" /></a>The other day I shared my <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/13/podcasts-and-internet-radio-stations-you-may-enjoy/" target="_blank">favorite podcasts</a>, one of which was the SGU. Well, I just found a new one! From Skepchick.org with Rebecca Watson comes a new podcast  called <a href="http://www.curiosityaroused.com/" target="_blank">Curiosity  Aroused</a>. There&#8217;s one episode up now which is about calorie  restriction for long life. The episode is about 20 minutes long and you can subscribe through iTunes.</p>
<p>In the first episode, they talk to Monica Reinagel who is pretty neat in her own right. She&#8217;s a nutrition expert and through her short podcast and blog she helps weed through the hype and nonsense of nutrition. As a person who wonders what is fact and what is bullshit when it comes to food, diet and the like, it&#8217;s very cool to find a resource for good information.</p>
<p>Here are her sites:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nutritiondata.com/" target="_blank">www.nutritiondata.com</a>: her <a href="http://blog.nutritiondata.com/ndblog/" target="_blank">blog</a> is on here along with a wealth of information.</p>
<p><a href="http://nutritiondiva.quickanddirtytips.com/" target="_blank">http://nutritiondiva.quickanddirtytips.com/</a>: Her podcasts are on here. If you go to listen or read and episode, you can then find the link to iTunes to subscribe and get them all. They are each about 5 minutes long.</p>
<p>Do you have any great resources for good nutrition and diet that are based in science and research? Please feel free to share! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/13/podcasts-and-internet-radio-stations-you-may-enjoy/" title="Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy (February 13, 2010)">Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/20/dark-chocolate-and-other-tidbits-of-goodness/" title="Dark Chocolate and Other Tidbits of Goodness (November 20, 2009)">Dark Chocolate and Other Tidbits of Goodness</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/12/03/why-does-god-hate-pigs/" title="Why Does God Hate Pigs? (December 3, 2009)">Why Does God Hate Pigs?</a> (10)</li>
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		<title>Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &#38; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &amp; technology through interviews.</li>
<li><a href="http://doubtreligion.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Reasonable  Doubts</a> (Your Skeptical Guide to Religion): A special focus on  counter-apologetics. They provide detailed counter-points to the  fallacious logic and blatant misinformation used by religious apologists  when attempting to discredit skepticism and provide rational arguments  for their dogmas. They also defend the sufficiency of reason, science  and naturalistic philosophies to provide a satisfactory and morally  compelling understanding of the cosmos, human nature, art and culture.  They try to do this all with fair-mindedness and humor. Winner of the  Peoples Choice Podcast Award for best religious/inspirational podcast of  2009</li>
<li><a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/" target="_blank">The Naked Scientists</a> and another podcast, Ask the  Naked Scientists: The Naked Scientists are a group of physicians and  researchers from Cambridge University who use radio, live lectures, and  the Internet to strip science down to its bare essentials, and promote  it to the general public. Each week, listeners of all ages and  backgrounds tune in on a Sunday evening to hear creator Dr. Chris Smith,  together with his entertaining scientist sidekicks, interview renowned  scientists and researchers from all over the world and take science  questions on any subject live from the listening public.</li>
<li><a href="http://startalkradio.net/" target="_blank">StarTalk</a> with  Neil DeGrasse Tyson: a radio show devoted to all things space and is  hosted by renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.mrdeity.com/" target="_blank">Mr. Deity</a> (video, not podcast, but you can  subscribe through iTunes): a webshow that looks at the every-day life of  the creator and everything he must endure as he attempts to manage his  creation.</li>
</ul>
<p>My friend and fellow science lover Brent sent me a list of his  favorites as well, which is actually what sparked this post:<span id="more-2511"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>The Center for Inquiry&#8217;s <a href="http://pointofinquiry.org/" target="_blank">Point of Inquiry</a>:  Point of Inquiry explores CFI’s three research areas:
<ul>
<li>Pseudoscience and the paranormal (Bigfoot, UFOs, psychics,  communication with the dead, cryptozoology, etc.)</li>
<li>Alternative  medicine (faith healing, homeopathy, “healing touch,”  the efficacy of prayer, etc.)</li>
<li>Religion, humanism, and secularism  (church-state separation, the  effects and proper role of religion in society, the future of secularism  and nonbelief, etc.)<br />
Rotating hosts Chris Mooney, Karen Stollznow, and Robert Price bring  engaging and thought-provoking interviews and commentary on a broad  range of topics to each episode of Point of Inquiry.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>NPR&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/" target="_blank">Science Friday</a>:  A weekly radio talk show on NPR from 2-4pm on Fridays. Each week, they  focus on science topics that are in the news and try to bring an  educated, balanced discussion to bear on the scientific issues at hand.  Panels of expert guests join Science Friday&#8217;s host, Ira Flatow, a  veteran science journalist, to discuss science &#8211; and to take questions  from listeners during the call-in portion of the program.</li>
<li><a href="http://grokscience.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Groks  Science Radio Show and Podcast</a>: a weekly science radio program and  podcast produced in Chicago, USA and Tokyo, Japan. The show broadcasts  on radio stations across the country and can also be heard as a podcast.  Each week, the hosts, Dr. Charles Lee and Dr. Frank Ling, take an  in-depth look at recent events in the world of science and technology,  and examine the effects of recent discoveries on our daily lives.<br />
Each episode features an interview with a leading scientist, researcher,  or industrialist discussing stimulating work in their field. The show  often includes a humorous and entertaining segment; plus the world  famous question of the week!</li>
<li>IEET: <a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/csr" target="_blank">Changesurfer   Radio</a>: a weekly, syndicated public affairs radio show transmitting a  sexy, high-tech vision of a radically democratic future</li>
<li><a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fastforwardradio" target="_blank">Fast   Forward Radio</a>: A convergence of emerging technologies and emerging  possibilities is at the heart of this, the greatest period of  transformation in human history. Our world is changing in ways that are  hard to predict&#8230;sometimes even hard to imagine. FastForward Radio is  your guide to an astounding future that lies ahead &#8212; and that will be  here sooner than you think!</li>
</ul>
<p>Feel free to contribute your favorites!</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/23/what-are-you-doing-november-19/" title="What Are You Doing November 19? (September 23, 2009)">What Are You Doing November 19?</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/23/the-fine-art-of-baloney-detection/" title="The Fine Art of Baloney Detection (October 23, 2009)">The Fine Art of Baloney Detection</a> (2)</li>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>My friend Charles composed the following email as a response to a ridiculous christian forward he got call &#8220;Untimely Deaths&#8221;. He thought I might like to share it with you. So here it is, including the angry christian email reply he already got and his reply to that at the end. His version had the classical large fonts, underlines and bold text that inflammatory emails often have, but for the web, I had to strip most of the formatting. If you decide to send this on to your christian friends, feel free to make them more at ease by using insanely large font sizes, underlines, unreadable colors, etc. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_67437561.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2475" title="reason is the greatest enemy that faith has" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_67437561.jpg" alt="" width="375" height="334" /></a>Do you have the COURAGE to Read this whole E-Mail?????</strong></p>
<p><strong>The TRUTH about UNTIMELY DEATHS!</strong></p>
<p>John Lennon (Singer):<br />
Some years before, during an interview with an American Magazine, he said:<br />
&#8220;Christianity will end, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend Charles composed the following email as a response to a ridiculous christian forward he got call &#8220;Untimely Deaths&#8221;. He thought I might like to share it with you. So here it is, including the angry christian email reply he already got and his reply to that at the end. His version had the classical large fonts, underlines and bold text that inflammatory emails often have, but for the web, I had to strip most of the formatting. If you decide to send this on to your christian friends, feel free to make them more at ease by using insanely large font sizes, underlines, unreadable colors, etc. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_67437561.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2475" title="reason is the greatest enemy that faith has" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_67437561.jpg" alt="" width="375" height="334" /></a>Do you have the COURAGE to Read this whole E-Mail?????</strong></p>
<p><strong>The TRUTH about UNTIMELY DEATHS!</strong></p>
<p>John Lennon (Singer):<br />
Some years before, during an interview with an American Magazine, he said:<br />
&#8220;Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple. Today we are<br />
more famous than Him&#8221; (1966).<br />
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.</p>
<p><strong>Is god lazy? Lennon said he was bigger than Jesus in 1966. Mark Chapman shot him in 1980.<br />
Fourteen years later!  Was god too busy all those years assassinating other sinners?  Is he a procrastinator?<br />
&#8220;Oh yeah, that one blasphemous beatle. I really should smite him.&#8221;<br />
The next day:<br />
&#8220;Crap! I forgot! again!&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>And so on, for the next fourteen years!<span id="more-2474"></span></strong></p>
<p>MARILYN MONROE:<br />
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He is a preacher and Evangelist and the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.<br />
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: &#8220;I don&#8217;t need your Jesus&#8221;<br />
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.</p>
<p><strong>Of course, the fact that Marilyn Monroe was Jewish is inconsequential!</strong></p>
<p>Now consider:</p>
<p>Saloth Sar, better known as Pol Pot, was the leader of the Cambodian communist movement known as the Khmer Rouge<br />
During his time in power, Pol Pot imposed a version of agrarian collectivization, forcing city dwellers to relocate to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labor projects, toward a goal of &#8220;restarting civilization&#8221; in a &#8220;Year Zero&#8221;.<br />
The combined effects of slave labor, malnutrition, poor medical care, and executions resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1.7 to 2.5 million people, approximately 21% of the Cambodian population.</p>
<p><strong>Also, he was not a Christian.  Also, he lived to be 70.</strong></p>
<p>Aleister Crowley, born Edward Alexander Crowley, was an English occultist, writer, mountaineer, poet, playwright, yogi, and possible spy He was an influential member of occult organizations, including the Golden Dawn, the A∴A∴, and Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.), and is known today for his magical writings, especially The Book of the Law, the central sacred text of Thelma. He gained notoriety during his lifetime, and was denounced in the popular press of the day as &#8220;The wickedest man in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>And yet lived to be 72. </strong></p>
<p>Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade, was a French aristocrat and writer famous for his libertine sexuality and lifestyle. His works include novels, short stories, plays, and political tracts; in his lifetime some were published under his own name, while others appeared anonymously and Sade denied being their author. He is best known for his erotic novels, which combined philosophical discourse with pornography, depicting bizarre sexual fantasies with an emphasis on violence, criminality, and blasphemy against the Catholic Church. He was a proponent of extreme freedom (or at least licentiousness), unrestrained by morality, religion or law.<br />
The term &#8220;sadism&#8221; is derived from his name.</p>
<p><strong>Lived to be 74.</strong></p>
<p>Idi Amin Dada,  The military dictator and President of Uganda from 1971 to 1979.<br />
Amin&#8217;s rule was characterised by human rights abuses, political repression, ethnic persecution, extrajudicial killings, nepotism, corruption and gross economic mismanagement. The number of people killed as a result of his regime is estimated by international observers and human rights groups to range from 100,000 to 500,000.<br />
A polygamist, Idi Amin married at least six women, three of whom he divorced. He married his first and second wives, Malyamu and Kay, in 1966. The next year, he married Nora and then Nalongo Madina in 1972. On 26 March 1974, he announced on Radio Uganda that he had divorced Malyamu, Nora and Kay.<br />
<strong>Kay died on 13 August 1974,  Her body was found dismembered.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Lived to the ripe old age of 78.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Finally, the REAL TRUTH comes out! </strong></p>
<p><strong>UNTIMELY DEATHS?</strong></p>
<p>Every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes&#8211;one child every five seconds.<br />
In the time it takes you to read one  E-mail full of &#8220;little lies for Jesus&#8221; at least 200 people will have died of starvation.<br />
Over 4 million will die this year.</p>
<p><strong>“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />
Then he is not omnipotent.<br />
Is he able, but not willing?<br />
Then he is malevolent.<br />
Is he both able and willing?<br />
Then whence cometh EVIL?<br />
Is he neither able nor willing?<br />
Then why call him God?”</strong></p>
<p>- Epicurus (Greek philosopher, BC 341-270)</p>
<p><strong>Use Your Brains.</strong></p>
<p>Charles already got an angry response and replied:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM, (unnamed Christian) wrote:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Man is where evil dwells not God. Don’t blame MAN’S shortcomings, cruelty, greed, racism, etc,,, on God!. Man has a choice….all of us have a choice. What we do with that choice is up to us. Our hand is not being forced by any being including God….use you brains!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Charles&#8217; reply:</p>
<p>An intelligent man would never blame god for any of those things, because he understands that god is but a creation of man.<br />
Don&#8217;t devalue all humanity by blaming all the world&#8217;s injustice on them.   You do not only the world, but yourself a disservice.<br />
It is ludicrous to claim that the people who died in the earthquake in Haiti choose that to happen.  As ridiculous as claiming that children choose to die of starvation.<br />
Saying that &#8220;all of us have a choice&#8221; is the biggest &#8220;blame the victim&#8221; pile of steaming&#8230; well you get the idea, that religion ever propagated.</p>
<p>If you believe in god then you already believe in a place god created that is without suffering and yet all the people there still have free will, it is called heaven.<br />
There is no reason an all powerful god couldn&#8217;t have made earth the same way.   Unless he is just a dick?</p>
<p>But again, that would be silly to blame the world&#8217;s problems on an imaginary being.  As silly as blaming people for things that they have no control over.</p>
<p>Things just happen, good and bad.  It is a result of living on an imperfect natural world we have by chance evolved to live on.</p>
<p>Maybe someday you can see reality without the &#8220;Jesus glasses&#8221;.  Good luck with that.</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/productfail.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2459" title="god spray - WTF?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/productfail-364x450.jpg" alt="" width="309" height="383" /></a>I am reading several books right now (I have them all listed in the left sidebar). One is called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970950519?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zenswor-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=390957&#38;creativeASIN=0970950519">The God Virus</a> and I just started it the other day. On page 18, Darrel W. Ray describes an experiment. I think I&#8217;ve heard of it before, but I thought I&#8217;d share it with you because it shows how religion attacks the critical thinking skills of the mind. As Mr. Ray says, it leaves the skill intact for other religions but disables critical thinking about one&#8217;s own religion. It really is like a virus of the mind.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the experiment as explained in the book:</p>
<blockquote><p>You have a serious conversation with a deeply christian friend. Your friend is intelligent, well educated and knowledgeable. You agree to record the session. The topic is islam. During the session, you discuss that mohammed was a self-appointed prophet and that he claimed he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/productfail.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2459" title="god spray - WTF?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/productfail-364x450.jpg" alt="" width="309" height="383" /></a>I am reading several books right now (I have them all listed in the left sidebar). One is called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970950519?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0970950519">The God Virus</a> and I just started it the other day. On page 18, Darrel W. Ray describes an experiment. I think I&#8217;ve heard of it before, but I thought I&#8217;d share it with you because it shows how religion attacks the critical thinking skills of the mind. As Mr. Ray says, it leaves the skill intact for other religions but disables critical thinking about one&#8217;s own religion. It really is like a virus of the mind.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the experiment as explained in the book:</p>
<blockquote><p>You have a serious conversation with a deeply christian friend. Your friend is intelligent, well educated and knowledgeable. You agree to record the session. The topic is islam. During the session, you discuss that mohammed was a self-appointed prophet and that he claimed he talked to allah and the angels. He wrote a book that he claimed was infallible, and he flew from Jerusalem to heaven on a horse.</p>
<p>During the conversation, you agree that mohammed was probably delusional to think he could talk to god. You agree that the koran was clearly written by mohammed and not allah. It is ludicrous for him to claim that he is the last prophet and that all others are false. Neither you nor your friend can believe that he flew to heaven, let alone on a horse. It all sounds too crazy, and you both agree it is difficult to see how someone could believe such a religion. At the end of the conversation, you say that muslims did not choose their religion; they were born into it. Anyone who was exposed to both christianity and islam would see that christianity is the true religion.<span id="more-2458"></span></p>
<p>Over the next few days, you transcribe the recording onto paper. Then you change all references to mohammed and make them jesus. Now the document reads something like this:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">During the conversation, you both agree that jesus was probably delusional to think he could talk to jehovah. The bible was clearly written by men and not jehovah. You both agree it is ludicrous for jesus to claim that he is the last prophet and that all later ones are false. Neither of you can believe that he rose from the dead, nor flew to heaven. It all sounds too crazy, and it is difficult to see how someone could believe such a religion. At the end of the conversation, you both agree that christians did not choose their religion; they were born into it. Anyone who was exposed to both christianity and islam would see that islam is the true religion.</p>
<p>Now, tell your friend, &#8220;I made a transcript of our conversation about islam and would like to go over it with you.&#8221; As you read it, watch her reaction. How does she respond to each statement? How soon does she get defensive? How quickly does she start making elaborate arguments that have no more factual basis than the first conversation? If you persist in this line of parallel reasoning, how long before she gets angry or breaks off the conversation? Could this conversation damage your friendship?</p>
<p>You can do this experiment with other prophetic religions. For example, substitute Joseph Smith for mormonism or moses for judaism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Have you ever tried an experiment like this? Have you ever questioned your friend&#8217;s religion? Did it damage your friendship? Or a family member? Does that person still talk to you? How far did your religious friend go to make excuses and explain away his religion in the face of reality?</p>

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