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		<title>Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &#38; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &amp; technology through interviews.</li>
<li><a href="http://doubtreligion.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Reasonable  Doubts</a> (Your Skeptical Guide to Religion): A special focus on  counter-apologetics. They provide detailed counter-points to the  fallacious logic and blatant misinformation used by religious apologists  when attempting to discredit skepticism and provide rational arguments  for their dogmas. They also defend the sufficiency of reason, science  and naturalistic philosophies to provide a satisfactory and morally  compelling understanding of the cosmos, human nature, art and culture.  They try to do this all with fair-mindedness and humor. Winner of the  Peoples Choice Podcast Award for best religious/inspirational podcast of  2009</li>
<li><a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/" target="_blank">The Naked Scientists</a> and another podcast, Ask the  Naked Scientists: The Naked Scientists are a group of physicians and  researchers from Cambridge University who use radio, live lectures, and  the Internet to strip science down to its bare essentials, and promote  it to the general public. Each week, listeners of all ages and  backgrounds tune in on a Sunday evening to hear creator Dr. Chris Smith,  together with his entertaining scientist sidekicks, interview renowned  scientists and researchers from all over the world and take science  questions on any subject live from the listening public.</li>
<li><a href="http://startalkradio.net/" target="_blank">StarTalk</a> with  Neil DeGrasse Tyson: a radio show devoted to all things space and is  hosted by renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.mrdeity.com/" target="_blank">Mr. Deity</a> (video, not podcast, but you can  subscribe through iTunes): a webshow that looks at the every-day life of  the creator and everything he must endure as he attempts to manage his  creation.</li>
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<p>My friend and fellow science lover Brent sent me a list of his  favorites as well, which is actually what sparked this post:<span id="more-2511"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>The Center for Inquiry&#8217;s <a href="http://pointofinquiry.org/" target="_blank">Point of Inquiry</a>:  Point of Inquiry explores CFI’s three research areas:
<ul>
<li>Pseudoscience and the paranormal (Bigfoot, UFOs, psychics,  communication with the dead, cryptozoology, etc.)</li>
<li>Alternative  medicine (faith healing, homeopathy, “healing touch,”  the efficacy of prayer, etc.)</li>
<li>Religion, humanism, and secularism  (church-state separation, the  effects and proper role of religion in society, the future of secularism  and nonbelief, etc.)<br />
Rotating hosts Chris Mooney, Karen Stollznow, and Robert Price bring  engaging and thought-provoking interviews and commentary on a broad  range of topics to each episode of Point of Inquiry.</li>
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</li>
<li>NPR&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/" target="_blank">Science Friday</a>:  A weekly radio talk show on NPR from 2-4pm on Fridays. Each week, they  focus on science topics that are in the news and try to bring an  educated, balanced discussion to bear on the scientific issues at hand.  Panels of expert guests join Science Friday&#8217;s host, Ira Flatow, a  veteran science journalist, to discuss science &#8211; and to take questions  from listeners during the call-in portion of the program.</li>
<li><a href="http://grokscience.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Groks  Science Radio Show and Podcast</a>: a weekly science radio program and  podcast produced in Chicago, USA and Tokyo, Japan. The show broadcasts  on radio stations across the country and can also be heard as a podcast.  Each week, the hosts, Dr. Charles Lee and Dr. Frank Ling, take an  in-depth look at recent events in the world of science and technology,  and examine the effects of recent discoveries on our daily lives.<br />
Each episode features an interview with a leading scientist, researcher,  or industrialist discussing stimulating work in their field. The show  often includes a humorous and entertaining segment; plus the world  famous question of the week!</li>
<li>IEET: <a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/csr" target="_blank">Changesurfer   Radio</a>: a weekly, syndicated public affairs radio show transmitting a  sexy, high-tech vision of a radically democratic future</li>
<li><a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fastforwardradio" target="_blank">Fast   Forward Radio</a>: A convergence of emerging technologies and emerging  possibilities is at the heart of this, the greatest period of  transformation in human history. Our world is changing in ways that are  hard to predict&#8230;sometimes even hard to imagine. FastForward Radio is  your guide to an astounding future that lies ahead &#8212; and that will be  here sooner than you think!</li>
</ul>
<p>Feel free to contribute your favorites!</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/23/what-are-you-doing-november-19/" title="What Are You Doing November 19? (September 23, 2009)">What Are You Doing November 19?</a> (10)</li>
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		<title>Your Two Cents About the Faith Based Initiative Program</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ZeNeece108.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2490" title="ninja grizzlies!" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ZeNeece108-450x300.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="300" /></a>The Secular Coalition of America sent me a request a few minutes ago, asking me to write a letter to Obama about the Faith Based Initiative Program. I pretty much keep my nose out of politics, but I thought I&#8217;d pass this along because I firmly believe in the Separation of Church and State as my God Given Right! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, this country was founded on the incredibly important idea of religion and politics being separate. If you want to see a country where there is no separation, just go to Iran. I&#8217;m pretty sure they are a theocracy. Don&#8217;t hold me to that, though. My world politics skills have never been very sharp.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think letter writing campaigns work best when the people or organization targeted gets absolutely inundated from all over the place with the same request. Here is what the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ZeNeece108.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2490" title="ninja grizzlies!" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ZeNeece108-450x300.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="300" /></a>The Secular Coalition of America sent me a request a few minutes ago, asking me to write a letter to Obama about the Faith Based Initiative Program. I pretty much keep my nose out of politics, but I thought I&#8217;d pass this along because I firmly believe in the Separation of Church and State as my God Given Right! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, this country was founded on the incredibly important idea of religion and politics being separate. If you want to see a country where there is no separation, just go to Iran. I&#8217;m pretty sure they are a theocracy. Don&#8217;t hold me to that, though. My world politics skills have never been very sharp.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think letter writing campaigns work best when the people or organization targeted gets absolutely inundated from all over the place with the same request. Here is what the Secular Coalition for America says:</p>
<blockquote><p>As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama promised to abide by &#8220;a few basic principles&#8221; that would protect the constitutional separation of church and state in his plan for an expanded faith based initiative program. He was specific: &#8220;First, if you get a federal grant, you can&#8217;t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can&#8217;t discriminate against them &#8211; or against the people you hire &#8211; on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs.&#8221;</p>
<p>On February 5, 2009 President Obama issued his Executive Order establishing his Faith Based Intiative program. Twelve months later at the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama claimed that his administration had &#8220;turned the faith-based initiative around&#8221; from its misuse during the Bush administration. But it appears the only thing President Obama has changed about how millions of federal dollars are spent is that the office guiding the direct funding of houses of worship is now called  the &#8220;White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships&#8221; rather than the &#8220;Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives.&#8221;   Twelve months, Two words. That&#8217;s not a turn around, it&#8217;s a re-branding.</p>
<p><a href="http://action.secular.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=2193" target="_blank">Go Here to Send a Letter to Obama through the Secular Coalition of America</a>. Hey, maybe if enough of us say something it might just make a difference.<span id="more-2489"></span>The Secular Coalition for America has called for reform and oversight of the Office and the agencies that it oversees for years. Government reports and hearings have documented the constitutional problems and gross abuses rampant in this program, but a year later all Americans continue to have their federal dollars used for government-condoned religious discrimination, while reforms to prohibit proselytizing in these purportedly secular social service programs have still not been enacted.</p>
<p>No law is required to fix this &#8211; simply the stroke of a Presidential pen.</p>
<p>America&#8217;s Founding Fathers strongly believed in a clear separation between church and state. They gave us a Constitution that forbids government to support or oppose any religion, leaving Americans free to follow their own consciences when it comes to matters of faith. In the words of the First Amendment, government shall make &#8220;no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….&#8221;</p>
<p>Churches and other houses of worship are free to spread their beliefs. But they are expected to raise their own funds through the voluntary contributions of the faithful. Taxation to support religion and religious endeavors was forbidden under the Founders&#8217; constitutional framework. No American should be compelled through taxation to subsidize any religion. Twelve months, Two words.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-polar-bears-find-an-igloo-with-cream-filling.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2491" title="funny-pictures-polar-bears-find-an-igloo-with-cream-filling" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-polar-bears-find-an-igloo-with-cream-filling.jpg" alt="" width="428" height="237" /></a>I will resist the urge to climb up on my tallest soapbox and rail against the machine and leave you with another <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">lolcat</span> lolbear.</p>

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		<title>Why I Am Not A Christian</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2349" title="Bertrand_Russell_1950" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg" alt="Bertrand_Russell_1950" width="162" height="217" /></a>by Bertrand Russell</p>
<p>Russell delivered this lecture on March 6, 1927 to the National Secular Society, South London Branch, at Battersea Town Hall. Published in pamphlet form in that same year, the essay subsequently achieved new fame with Paul Edwards&#8217; edition of Russell&#8217;s book, Why I Am Not a Christian and Other Essays &#8230; (1957).</p>
<blockquote><p>As your Chairman has told you, the subject about which I am going to speak to you tonight is &#8220;Why I Am Not a Christian.&#8221; Perhaps it would be as well, first of all, to try to make out what one means by the word Christian. It is used these days in a very loose sense by a great many people. Some people mean no more by it than a person who attempts to live a good life. In that sense I suppose there would be Christians in all sects and creeds; but I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2349" title="Bertrand_Russell_1950" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bertrand_Russell_1950.jpg" alt="Bertrand_Russell_1950" width="162" height="217" /></a>by Bertrand Russell</p>
<p>Russell delivered this lecture on March 6, 1927 to the National Secular Society, South London Branch, at Battersea Town Hall. Published in pamphlet form in that same year, the essay subsequently achieved new fame with Paul Edwards&#8217; edition of Russell&#8217;s book, Why I Am Not a Christian and Other Essays &#8230; (1957).</p>
<blockquote><p>As your Chairman has told you, the subject about which I am going to speak to you tonight is &#8220;Why I Am Not a Christian.&#8221; Perhaps it would be as well, first of all, to try to make out what one means by the word Christian. It is used these days in a very loose sense by a great many people. Some people mean no more by it than a person who attempts to live a good life. In that sense I suppose there would be Christians in all sects and creeds; but I do not think that that is the proper sense of the word, if only because it would imply that all the people who are not Christians &#8212; all the Buddhists, Confucians, Mohammedans, and so on &#8212; are not trying to live a good life. I do not mean by a Christian any person who tries to live decently according to his lights. I think that you must have a certain amount of definite belief before you have a right to call yourself a Christian. The word does not have quite such a full-blooded meaning now as it had in the times of St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas. In those days, if a man said that he was a Christian it was known what he meant. You accepted a whole collection of creeds which were set out with great precision, and every single syllable of those creeds you believed with the whole strength of your convictions.</p>
<p><strong>What Is a Christian?</strong><br />
Nowadays it is not quite that. We have to be a little more vague in our meaning of Christianity. I think, however, that there are two different items which are quite essential to anybody calling himself a Christian. The first is one of a dogmatic nature &#8212; namely, that you must believe in God and immortality. If you do not believe in those two things, I do not think that you can properly call yourself a Christian. Then, further than that, as the name implies, you must have some kind of belief about Christ. The Mohammedans, for instance, also believe in God and in immortality, and yet they would not call themselves Christians. I think you must have at the very lowest the belief that Christ was, if not divine, at least the best and wisest of men. If you are not going to believe that much about Christ, I do not think you have any right to call yourself a Christian. Of course, there is another sense, which you find in Whitaker&#8217;s Almanack and in geography books, where the population of the world is said to be divided into Christians, Mohammedans, Buddhists, fetish worshipers, and so on; and in that sense we are all Christians. The geography books count us all in, but that is a purely geographical sense, which I suppose we can ignore.Therefore I take it that when I tell you why I am not a Christian I have to tell you two different things: first, why I do not believe in God and in immortality; and, secondly, why I do not think that Christ was the best and wisest of men, although I grant him a very high degree of moral goodness.<span id="more-2348"></span></p>
<p>But for the successful efforts of unbelievers in the past, I could not take so elastic a definition of Christianity as that. As I said before, in olden days it had a much more full-blooded sense. For instance, it included he belief in hell. Belief in eternal hell-fire was an essential item of Christian belief until pretty recent times. In this country, as you know, it ceased to be an essential item because of a decision of the Privy Council, and from that decision the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Archbishop of York dissented; but in this country our religion is settled by Act of Parliament, and therefore the Privy Council was able to override their Graces and hell was no longer necessary to a Christian. Consequently I shall not insist that a Christian must believe in hell.</p>
<p><strong>The Existence of God</strong><br />
To come to this question of the existence of God: it is a large and serious question, and if I were to attempt to deal with it in any adequate manner I should have to keep you here until Kingdom Come, so that you will have to excuse me if I deal with it in a somewhat summary fashion. You know, of course, that the Catholic Church has laid it down as a dogma that the existence of God can be proved by the unaided reason. That is a somewhat curious dogma, but it is one of their dogmas. They had to introduce it because at one time the freethinkers adopted the habit of saying that there were such and such arguments which mere reason might urge against the existence of God, but of course they knew as a matter of faith that God did exist. The arguments and the reasons were set out at great length, and the Catholic Church felt that they must stop it. Therefore they laid it down that the existence of God can be proved by the unaided reason and they had to set up what they considered were arguments to prove it. There are, of course, a number of them, but I shall take only a few.</p>
<p><strong>The First-Cause Argument</strong><br />
Perhaps the simplest and easiest to understand is the argument of the First Cause. (It is maintained that everything we see in this world has a cause, and as you go back in the chain of causes further and further you must come to a First Cause, and to that First Cause you give the name of God.) That argument, I suppose, does not carry very much weight nowadays, because, in the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and it has not anything like the vitality it used to have; but, apart from that, you can see that the argument that there must be a First Cause is one that cannot have any validity. I may say that when I was a young man and was debating these questions very seriously in my mind, I for a long time accepted the argument of the First Cause, until one day, at the age of eighteen, I read John Stuart Mill&#8217;s Autobiography, and I there found this sentence: &#8220;My father taught me that the question &#8216;Who made me?&#8217; cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question `Who made god?&#8217;&#8221; That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu&#8217;s view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, &#8220;How about the tortoise?&#8221; the Indian said, &#8220;Suppose we change the subject.&#8221; The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time upon the argument about the First Cause.</p>
<p><strong>The Natural-Law Argument</strong><br />
Then there is a very common argument from natural law. That was a favorite argument all through the eighteenth century, especially under the influence of Sir Isaac Newton and his cosmogony. People observed the planets going around the sun according to the law of gravitation, and they thought that God had given a behest to these planets to move in that particular fashion, and that was why they did so. That was, of course, a convenient and simple explanation that saved them the trouble of looking any further for explanations of the law of gravitation. Nowadays we explain the law of gravitation in a somewhat complicated fashion that Einstein has introduced. I do not propose to give you a lecture on the law of gravitation, as interpreted by Einstein, because that again would take some time; at any rate, you no longer have the sort of natural law that you had in the Newtonian system, where, for some reason that nobody could understand, nature behaved in a uniform fashion. We now find that a great many things we thought were natural laws are really human conventions. You know that even in the remotest depths of stellar space there are still three feet to a yard. That is, no doubt, a very remarkable fact, but you would hardly call it a law of nature. And a great many things that have been regarded as laws of nature are of that kind. On the other hand, where you can get down to any knowledge of what atoms actually do, you will find they are much less subject to law than people thought, and that the laws at which you arrive are statistical averages of just the sort that would emerge from chance. There is, as we all know, a law that if you throw dice you will get double sixes only about once in thirty-six times, and we do not regard that as evidence that the fall of the dice is regulated by design; on the contrary, if the double sixes came every time we should think that there was design. The laws of nature are of that sort as regards a great many of them. They are statistical averages such as would emerge from the laws of chance; and that makes this whole business of natural law much less impressive than it formerly was. Quite apart from that, which represents the momentary state of science that may change tomorrow, the whole idea that natural laws imply a lawgiver is due to a confusion between natural and human laws. Human laws are behests commanding you to behave a certain way, in which you may choose to behave, or you may choose not to behave; but natural laws are a description of how things do in fact behave, and being a mere description of what they in fact do, you cannot argue that there must be somebody who told them to do that, because even supposing that there were, you are then faced with the question &#8220;Why did God issue just those natural laws and no others?&#8221; If you say that he did it simply from his own good pleasure, and without any reason, you then find that there is something which is not subject to law, and so your train of natural law is interrupted. If you say, as more orthodox theologians do, that in all the laws which God issues he had a reason for giving those laws rather than others &#8212; the reason, of course, being to create the best universe, although you would never think it to look at it &#8212; if there were a reason for the laws which God gave, then God himself was subject to law, and therefore you do not get any advantage by introducing God as an intermediary. You really have a law outside and anterior to the divine edicts, and God does not serve your purpose, because he is not the ultimate lawgiver. In short, this whole argument about natural law no longer has anything like the strength that it used to have. I am traveling on in time in my review of the arguments. The arguments that are used for the existence of God change their character as time goes on. They were at first hard intellectual arguments embodying certain quite definite fallacies. As we come to modern times they become less respectable intellectually and more and more affected by a kind of moralizing vagueness.</p>
<p><strong>The Argument from Design</strong><br />
The next step in the process brings us to the argument from design. You all know the argument from design: everything in the world is made just so that we can manage to live in the world, and if the world was ever so little different, we could not manage to live in it. That is the argument from design. It sometimes takes a rather curious form; for instance, it is argued that rabbits have white tails in order to be easy to shoot. I do not know how rabbits would view that application. It is an easy argument to parody. You all know Voltaire&#8217;s remark, that obviously the nose was designed to be such as to fit spectacles. That sort of parody has turned out to be not nearly so wide of the mark as it might have seemed in the eighteenth century, because since the time of Darwin we understand much better why living creatures are adapted to their environment. It is not that their environment was made to be suitable to them but that they grew to be suitable to it, and that is the basis of adaptation. There is no evidence of design about it.</p>
<p>When you come to look into this argument from design, it is a most astonishing thing that people can believe that this world, with all the things that are in it, with all its defects, should be the best that omnipotence and omniscience have been able to produce in millions of years. I really cannot believe it. Do you think that, if you were granted omnipotence and omniscience and millions of years in which to perfect your world, you could produce nothing better than the Ku Klux Klan or the Fascists? Moreover, if you accept the ordinary laws of science, you have to suppose that human life and life in general on this planet will die out in due course: it is a stage in the decay of the solar system; at a certain stage of decay you get the sort of conditions of temperature and so forth which are suitable to protoplasm, and there is life for a short time in the life of the whole solar system. You see in the moon the sort of thing to which the earth is tending &#8212; something dead, cold, and lifeless.</p>
<p>I am told that that sort of view is depressing, and people will sometimes tell you that if they believed that, they would not be able to go on living. Do not believe it; it is all nonsense. Nobody really worries about much about what is going to happen millions of years hence. Even if they think they are worrying much about that, they are really deceiving themselves. They are worried about something much more mundane, or it may merely be a bad digestion; but nobody is really seriously rendered unhappy by the thought of something that is going to happen to this world millions and millions of years hence. Therefore, although it is of course a gloomy view to suppose that life will die out &#8212; at least I suppose we may say so, although sometimes when I contemplate the things that people do with their lives I think it is almost a consolation &#8212; it is not such as to render life miserable. It merely makes you turn your attention to other things.</p>
<p><strong>The Moral Arguments for a Deity</strong><br />
Now we reach one stage further in what I shall call the intellectual descent that the Theists have made in their argumentations, and we come to what are called the moral arguments for the existence of God. You all know, of course, that there used to be in the old days three intellectual arguments for the existence of God, all of which were disposed of by Immanuel Kant in the Critique of Pure Reason; but no sooner had he disposed of those arguments than he invented a new one, a moral argument, and that quite convinced him. He was like many people: in intellectual matters he was skeptical, but in moral matters he believed implicitly in the maxims that he had imbibed at his mother&#8217;s knee. That illustrates what the psychoanalysts so much emphasize &#8212; the immensely stronger hold upon us that our very early associations have than those of later times.</p>
<p>Kant, as I say, invented a new moral argument for the existence of God, and that in varying forms was extremely popular during the nineteenth century. It has all sorts of forms. One form is to say there would be no right or wrong unless God existed. I am not for the moment concerned with whether there is a difference between right and wrong, or whether there is not: that is another question. The point I am concerned with is that, if you are quite sure there is a difference between right and wrong, then you are in this situation: Is that difference due to God&#8217;s fiat or is it not? If it is due to God&#8217;s fiat, then for God himself there is no difference between right and wrong, and it is no longer a significant statement to say that God is good. If you are going to say, as theologians do, that God is good, you must then say that right and wrong have some meaning which is independent of God&#8217;s fiat, because God&#8217;s fiats are good and not bad independently of the mere fact that he made them. If you are going to say that, you will then have to say that it is not only through God that right and wrong came into being, but that they are in their essence logically anterior to God. You could, of course, if you liked, say that there was a superior deity who gave orders to the God that made this world, or could take up the line that some of the gnostics took up &#8212; a line which I often thought was a very plausible one &#8212; that as a matter of fact this world that we know was made by the devil at a moment when God was not looking. There is a good deal to be said for that, and I am not concerned to refute it.</p>
<p><strong>The Argument for the Remedying of Injustice</strong><br />
Then there is another very curious form of moral argument, which is this: they say that the existence of God is required in order to bring justice into the world. In the part of this universe that we know there is great injustice, and often the good suffer, and often the wicked prosper, and one hardly knows which of those is the more annoying; but if you are going to have justice in the universe as a whole you have to suppose a future life to redress the balance of life here on earth. So they say that there must be a God, and there must be Heaven and Hell in order that in the long run there may be justice. That is a very curious argument. If you looked at the matter from a scientific point of view, you would say, &#8220;After all, I only know this world. I do not know about the rest of the universe, but so far as one can argue at all on probabilities one would say that probably this world is a fair sample, and if there is injustice here the odds are that there is injustice elsewhere also.&#8221; Supposing you got a crate of oranges that you opened, and you found all the top layer of oranges bad, you would not argue, &#8220;The underneath ones must be good, so as to redress the balance.&#8221; You would say, &#8220;Probably the whole lot is a bad consignment&#8221;; and that is really what a scientific person would argue about the universe. He would say, &#8220;Here we find in this world a great deal of injustice, and so far as that goes that is a reason for supposing that justice does not rule in the world; and therefore so far as it goes it affords a moral argument against deity and not in favor of one.&#8221; Of course I know that the sort of intellectual arguments that I have been talking to you about are not what really moves people. What really moves people to believe in God is not any intellectual argument at all. Most people believe in God because they have been taught from early infancy to do it, and that is the main reason.</p>
<p>Then I think that the next most powerful reason is the wish for safety, a sort of feeling that there is a big brother who will look after you. That plays a very profound part in influencing people&#8217;s desire for a belief in God.</p>
<p><strong>The Character of Christ</strong><br />
I now want to say a few words upon a topic which I often think is not quite sufficiently dealt with by Rationalists, and that is the question whether Christ was the best and the wisest of men. It is generally taken for granted that we should all agree that that was so. I do not myself. I think that there are a good many points upon which I agree with Christ a great deal more than the professing Christians do. I do not know that I could go with Him all the way, but I could go with Him much further than most professing Christians can. You will remember that He said, &#8220;Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.&#8221; That is not a new precept or a new principle. It was used by Lao-tse and Buddha some 500 or 600 years before Christ, but it is not a principle which as a matter of fact Christians accept. I have no doubt that the present prime minister [Stanley Baldwin], for instance, is a most sincere Christian, but I should not advise any of you to go and smite him on one cheek. I think you might find that he thought this text was intended in a figurative sense.</p>
<p>Then there is another point which I consider excellent. You will remember that Christ said, &#8220;Judge not lest ye be judged.&#8221; That principle I do not think you would find was popular in the law courts of Christian countries. I have known in my time quite a number of judges who were very earnest Christians, and none of them felt that they were acting contrary to Christian principles in what they did. Then Christ says, &#8220;Give to him that asketh of thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.&#8221; That is a very good principle. Your Chairman has reminded you that we are not here to talk politics, but I cannot help observing that the last general election was fought on the question of how desirable it was to turn away from him that would borrow of thee, so that one must assume that the Liberals and Conservatives of this country are composed of people who do not agree with the teaching of Christ, because they certainly did very emphatically turn away on that occasion.</p>
<p>Then there is one other maxim of Christ which I think has a great deal in it, but I do not find that it is very popular among some of our Christian friends. He says, &#8220;If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor.&#8221; That is a very excellent maxim, but, as I say, it is not much practised. All these, I think, are good maxims, although they are a little difficult to live up to. I do not profess to live up to them myself; but then, after all, it is not quite the same thing as for a Christian.</p>
<p><strong>Defects in Christ&#8217;s Teaching</strong><br />
Having granted the excellence of these maxims, I come to certain points in which I do not believe that one can grant either the superlative wisdom or the superlative goodness of Christ as depicted in the Gospels; and here I may say that one is not concerned with the historical question. Historically it is quite doubtful whether Christ ever existed at all, and if He did we do not know anything about him, so that I am not concerned with the historical question, which is a very difficult one. I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospels, taking the Gospel narrative as it stands, and there one does find some things that do not seem to be very wise. For one thing, he certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time. There are a great many texts that prove that. He says, for instance, &#8220;Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.&#8221; Then he says, &#8220;There are some standing here which shall not taste death till the Son of Man comes into His kingdom&#8221;; and there are a lot of places where it is quite clear that He believed that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living. That was the belief of His earlier followers, and it was the basis of a good deal of His moral teaching. When He said, &#8220;Take no thought for the morrow,&#8221; and things of that sort, it was very largely because He thought that the second coming was going to be very soon, and that all ordinary mundane affairs did not count. I have, as a matter of fact, known some Christians who did believe that the second coming was imminent. I knew a parson who frightened his congregation terribly by telling them that the second coming was very imminent indeed, but they were much consoled when they found that he was planting trees in his garden. The early Christians did really believe it, and they did abstain from such things as planting trees in their gardens, because they did accept from Christ the belief that the second coming was imminent. In that respect, clearly He was not so wise as some other people have been, and He was certainly not superlatively wise.</p>
<p><strong>The Moral Problem</strong><br />
Then you come to moral questions. There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ&#8217;s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment. Christ certainly as depicted in the Gospels did believe in everlasting punishment, and one does find repeatedly a vindictive fury against those people who would not listen to His preaching &#8212; an attitude which is not uncommon with preachers, but which does somewhat detract from superlative excellence. You do not, for instance find that attitude in Socrates. You find him quite bland and urbane toward the people who would not listen to him; and it is, to my mind, far more worthy of a sage to take that line than to take the line of indignation. You probably all remember the sorts of things that Socrates was saying when he was dying, and the sort of things that he generally did say to people who did not agree with him.</p>
<p>You will find that in the Gospels Christ said, &#8220;Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell.&#8221; That was said to people who did not like His preaching. It is not really to my mind quite the best tone, and there are a great many of these things about Hell. There is, of course, the familiar text about the sin against the Holy Ghost: &#8220;Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven him neither in this World nor in the world to come.&#8221; That text has caused an unspeakable amount of misery in the world, for all sorts of people have imagined that they have committed the sin against the Holy Ghost, and thought that it would not be forgiven them either in this world or in the world to come. I really do not think that a person with a proper degree of kindliness in his nature would have put fears and terrors of that sort into the world.</p>
<p>Then Christ says, &#8220;The Son of Man shall send forth his His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth&#8221;; and He goes on about the wailing and gnashing of teeth. It comes in one verse after another, and it is quite manifest to the reader that there is a certain pleasure in contemplating wailing and gnashing of teeth, or else it would not occur so often. Then you all, of course, remember about the sheep and the goats; how at the second coming He is going to divide the sheep from the goats, and He is going to say to the goats, &#8220;Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.&#8221; He continues, &#8220;And these shall go away into everlasting fire.&#8221; Then He says again, &#8220;If thy hand offend thee, cut it off; it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into Hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched; where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.&#8221; He repeats that again and again also. I must say that I think all this doctrine, that hell-fire is a punishment for sin, is a doctrine of cruelty. It is a doctrine that put cruelty into the world and gave the world generations of cruel torture; and the Christ of the Gospels, if you could take Him asHis chroniclers represent Him, would certainly have to be considered partly responsible for that.</p>
<p>There are other things of less importance. There is the instance of the Gadarene swine, where it certainly was not very kind to the pigs to put the devils into them and make them rush down the hill into the sea. You must remember that He was omnipotent, and He could have made the devils simply go away; but He chose to send them into the pigs. Then there is the curious story of the fig tree, which always rather puzzled me. You remember what happened about the fig tree. &#8220;He was hungry; and seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, He came if haply He might find anything thereon; and when He came to it He found nothing but leaves, for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it: &#8216;No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever&#8217; . . . and Peter . . . saith unto Him: &#8216;Master, behold the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.&#8217;&#8221; This is a very curious story, because it was not the right time of year for figs, and you really could not blame the tree. I cannot myself feel that either in the matter of wisdom or in the matter of virtue Christ stands quite as high as some other people known to history. I think I should put Buddha and Socrates above Him in those respects.</p>
<p><strong>The Emotional Factor</strong><br />
As I said before, I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion has anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it. You know, of course, the parody of that argument in Samuel Butler&#8217;s book, Erewhon Revisited. You will remember that in Erewhon there is a certain Higgs who arrives in a remote country, and after spending some time there he escapes from that country in a balloon. Twenty years later he comes back to that country and finds a new religion in which he is worshiped under the name of the &#8220;Sun Child,&#8221; and it is said that he ascended into heaven. He finds that the Feast of the Ascension is about to be celebrated, and he hears Professors Hanky and Panky say to each other that they never set eyes on the man Higgs, and they hope they never will; but they are the high priests of the religion of the Sun Child. He is very indignant, and he comes up to them, and he says, &#8220;I am going to expose all this humbug and tell the people of Erewhon that it was only I, the man Higgs, and I went up in a balloon.&#8221; He was told, &#8220;You must not do that, because all the morals of this country are bound round this myth, and if they once know that you did not ascend into Heaven they will all become wicked&#8221;; and so he is persuaded of that and he goes quietly away.</p>
<p>That is the idea &#8212; that we should all be wicked if we did not hold to the Christian religion. It seems to me that the people who have held to it have been for the most part extremely wicked. You find this curious fact, that the more intense has been the religion of any period and the more profound has been the dogmatic belief, the greater has been the cruelty and the worse has been the state of affairs. In the so-called ages of faith, when men really did believe the Christian religion in all its completeness, there was the Inquisition, with all its tortures; there were millions of unfortunate women burned as witches; and there was every kind of cruelty practiced upon all sorts of people in the name of religion.</p>
<p>You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.</p>
<p><strong>How the Churches Have Retarded Progress</strong><br />
You may think that I am going too far when I say that that is still so. I do not think that I am. Take one fact. You will bear with me if I mention it. It is not a pleasant fact, but the churches compel one to mention facts that are not pleasant. Supposing that in this world that we live in today an inexperienced girl is married to a syphilitic man; in that case the Catholic Church says, &#8220;This is an indissoluble sacrament. You must endure celibacy or stay together. And if you stay together, you must not use birth control to prevent the birth of syphilitic children.&#8221; Nobody whose natural sympathies have not been warped by dogma, or whose moral nature was not absolutely dead to all sense of suffering, could maintain that it is right and proper that that state of things should continue.</p>
<p>That is only an example. There are a great many ways in which, at the present moment, the church, by its insistence upon what it chooses to call morality, inflicts upon all sorts of people undeserved and unnecessary suffering. And of course, as we know, it is in its major part an opponent still of progress and improvement in all the ways that diminish suffering in the world, because it has chosen to label as morality a certain narrow set of rules of conduct which have nothing to do with human happiness; and when you say that this or that ought to be done because it would make for human happiness, they think that has nothing to do with the matter at all. &#8220;What has human happiness to do with morals? The object of morals is not to make people happy.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Fear, the Foundation of Religion</strong><br />
Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly, as I have said, the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing &#8212; fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a better place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it.</p>
<p><strong>What We Must Do</strong><br />
We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world &#8212; its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it. The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.users.drew.edu/~jlenz/brs.html" target="_blank">The Bertrand Russell Society</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks Mr. Russell, I couldn&#8217;t agree more!</p>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128837916282606782.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2215" title="128837916282606782" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128837916282606782-450x337.jpg" alt="128837916282606782" width="389" height="291" /></a>The other day I got an email from an atheist couple who have two kids, one 9 and one 10. They asked me for information regarding websites or literature that might deal with &#8220;god pressure&#8221; for kids at school. This would be the 4th and 5th grade. Apparently kids at their school are proselytizing and mocking these 2 kids for not believing.</p>
<p>The parents don&#8217;t want their kids to feel like freaks and also want to help them counter the exasperated &#8216;you don&#8217;t believe in god!&#8217; remarks. Sam, the father, admits that it can be lonely to not believe in god sometimes. I understand. I feel that way too, although not as much as before I belonged to <a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/" target="_blank">Morgantown Atheists</a>.</p>
<p>Diane, the mother, says they are open to ideas and suggestions. She says they have friends who aren&#8217;t religious but still believe in god. It&#8217;s not the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128837916282606782.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2215" title="128837916282606782" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128837916282606782-450x337.jpg" alt="128837916282606782" width="389" height="291" /></a>The other day I got an email from an atheist couple who have two kids, one 9 and one 10. They asked me for information regarding websites or literature that might deal with &#8220;god pressure&#8221; for kids at school. This would be the 4th and 5th grade. Apparently kids at their school are proselytizing and mocking these 2 kids for not believing.</p>
<p>The parents don&#8217;t want their kids to feel like freaks and also want to help them counter the exasperated &#8216;you don&#8217;t believe in god!&#8217; remarks. Sam, the father, admits that it can be lonely to not believe in god sometimes. I understand. I feel that way too, although not as much as before I belonged to <a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/" target="_blank">Morgantown Atheists</a>.</p>
<p>Diane, the mother, says they are open to ideas and suggestions. She says they have friends who aren&#8217;t religious but still believe in god. It&#8217;s not the same thing.</p>
<p>Seeing as how only about 10% of the population would go so far as to actually use the dreaded A-word, it can be isolating to be godless in a sea of believers. As I&#8217;ve mentioned, I still keep my atheism to myself when around Butch&#8217;s family. Some of them know we&#8217;re atheists but it&#8217;s never been brought up or mentioned. This means that a huge part of what I spend my time thinking about and being an activist over can&#8217;t be talked about when I spend time with others. It&#8217;s kind of lonely, in a way. <span id="more-2214"></span></p>
<p>For Sam and Diane, I suggested they join a local atheist/humanist/freethinker group to get some community support. There&#8217;s nothing like simply hanging out with like-minded people to feel more connected. In my personal experience, the benefits of belonging to a local organization are numerous. I have felt much happier since joining. Just knowing there are others who think like me is a great relief, in a way.</p>
<p>I know, many atheists are loners and not into joining. I used to think I was like that too. Then I realized I am just picky. I don&#8217;t want to belong to a group that has wildly different values than me. But having a coffee and talking to someone who is also a godless heathen is, well, liberating and intellectually stimulating.</p>
<p>I have to say something now regarding children and atheism. One of my friends, I think it was Dan, recently commented ( I can&#8217;t remember if it was here on HDC or Facebook. And I think it was Dan&#8230; or Steve. I&#8217;m sorry, my friends, I am not positive. Please feel free to correct me) about a conversation he had with his 9 year old daughter. She asked her dad about god. Dan gave a good answer about what god is, and said something along the lines of that&#8217;s how a lot of people believe. His daughter asked him what he believed, if he believed in god. Dan explained he is an atheist and that no, he doesn&#8217;t. Then he asked her what <em>she</em> thought about god. She said the smartest, most amazing thing, which told me he&#8217;s a wonderful dad. She said, &#8220;I think I&#8217;m too young to decide.&#8221;</p>
<p>What that tells me is that Dan is raising his daughter, <em>not</em> to be an atheist, but <em>to think for herself</em>. I think the <em>most important</em> thing you can ever do for a child is to teach them critical thinking. Let them figure things out for themselves. Let them reason and make mistakes. <em><strong>Teach them how to think. Not what to believe</strong>.<br />
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<p>I&#8217;m still thinking about what to tell Sam and Diane&#8217;s kids, in how to deal with other kids who are brainwashed with religion already. Do you have any suggestions, websites, or books that might help them?</p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/08/21/de-christianizing/" title="De-Christianizing (August 21, 2008)">De-Christianizing</a> (22)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/15/atheism-is-the-default/" title="Atheism is the Default (March 15, 2009)">Atheism is the Default</a> (46)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/23/not-all-atheists-are-evolved-alike/" title="Not All Atheists Are Evolved Alike (January 23, 2009)">Not All Atheists Are Evolved Alike</a> (17)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/02/godless-freedom/" title="I&#8217;m Godless And I Want My Freedom (December 2, 2008)">I&#8217;m Godless And I Want My Freedom</a> (2)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/15/coming-out-religious-closet-great-survey-atheists/" title="Coming Out of the Religious Closet and a Great Survey For Atheists (December 15, 2008)">Coming Out of the Religious Closet and a Great Survey For Atheists</a> (3)</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Skeptical thinking is such a wonderful tool to have. It means you don&#8217;t get scammed or BS&#8217;ed nearly as much by shoddy news or dodgy advertising. You also get to save money because you&#8217;ll be less apt to buy gimmicky cure-alls that do nothing but drain your wallet and give you false hope. In his book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zenswor-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=390957&#38;creativeASIN=0345409469">The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark</a><img class=" mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zenswor-20&#38;l=as2&#38;o=1&#38;a=0345409469" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" />, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan" target="_blank">Carl Sagan</a> wrote about this. It&#8217;s called the Baloney Detection Kit. (see below for an excerpt)</p>
<p>Michael Shermer recently made a great companion video talking about The Baloney Detection Kit: (approx. 14 min)</p>
<p></p>
<p>Here are the 10 points from the video:<span id="more-2151"></span></p>
<ol>
<li>How reliable is the source of the claim?</li>
<li>Does the source make similar claims?</li>
<li>Have the claims been verified by somebody else?</li>
<li>Does this fit with the way the world works?</li>
<li>Has anyone tried to disprove [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptical thinking is such a wonderful tool to have. It means you don&#8217;t get scammed or BS&#8217;ed nearly as much by shoddy news or dodgy advertising. You also get to save money because you&#8217;ll be less apt to buy gimmicky cure-alls that do nothing but drain your wallet and give you false hope. In his book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0345409469">The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark</a><img class=" mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry mbsxxiwhhgajaojogtry" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zenswor-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0345409469" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" />, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan" target="_blank">Carl Sagan</a> wrote about this. It&#8217;s called the Baloney Detection Kit. (see below for an excerpt)</p>
<p>Michael Shermer recently made a great companion video talking about The Baloney Detection Kit: (approx. 14 min)</p>
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<p>Here are the 10 points from the video:<span id="more-2151"></span></p>
<ol>
<li>How reliable is the source of the claim?</li>
<li>Does the source make similar claims?</li>
<li>Have the claims been verified by somebody else?</li>
<li>Does this fit with the way the world works?</li>
<li>Has anyone tried to disprove the claim?</li>
<li>Where does the preponderance of evidence point?</li>
<li>Is the claimant playing by the rules of science?</li>
<li>Is the claimant providing positive evidence?</li>
<li>Does the new theory account for as many phenomena as the old theory?</li>
<li>Are personal beliefs driving the claim?</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Science is the best tool ever devised for understanding how the world works.</strong></p>
<p>Here is an <a href="http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/W/Jonathan.D.Wren-1/The Fine Art of Baloney Detection.htm" target="_blank">excerpt from Demon-Haunted World:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Among the tools:</p>
<ul>
<li>Wherever possible there must be    independent confirmation of the &#8220;facts.&#8221;</li>
<li>Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.</li>
<li>Arguments from authority carry little weight &#8212; &#8220;authorities&#8221; have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts.</li>
<li>Spin more than one hypothesis. If there&#8217;s something to be explained, think of all the different ways in which it could be explained. Then think of tests by which you might systematically disprove each of the alternatives. What survives, the hypothesis that resists disproof in this Darwinian selection among &#8220;multiple working hypotheses,&#8221; has a much better chance of being the right answer than if you had simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.*</li>
</ul>
<p>* NOTE: This is a  problem that affects jury trials. Retrospective studies show that some jurors  make up their minds very early &#8211; perhaps during opening arguments &#8211; and then  retain the evidence that seems to support their initial impressions and reject  the contrary evidence. The method of alternative working hypotheses is not  running in their heads.</p>
<ul>
<li>Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it&#8217;s yours. It&#8217;s only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don&#8217;t, others will.</li>
<li>Quantify. If whatever it is you&#8217;re explaining has some measure, some numerical quantity attached to it, you&#8217;ll be much better able to discriminate among competing hypotheses. What is vague and qualitative is open to many explanations. Of course there are truths to be sought in the many qualitative issues we are obliged to confront, but finding them is more challenging.</li>
<li>If there&#8217;s a chain of argument, every link in the chain must work (including the premise) &#8212; not just most of them.</li>
<li>Occam&#8217;s Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler.</li>
<li>Always ask whether the hypothesis can be, at least in principle, falsified. Propositions that are untestable, unfalsifiable are not worth much. Consider the grand idea that our Universe and everything in it is just an elementary particle &#8212; an electron, say &#8212; in a much bigger Cosmos. But if we can never acquire information from outside our Universe, is not the idea incapable of disproof? You must be able to check assertions out. Inveterate skeptics must be given the chance to follow your reasoning, to duplicate your experiments and see if they get the same result.</li>
</ul>
<p>The reliance on carefully designed  and controlled experiments is key, as I tried to stress earlier. We will not  learn much from mere contemplation. It is tempting to rest content with the  first candidate explanation we can think of. One is much better than none. But  what happens if we can invent several? How do we decide among them? We don&#8217;t. We  let experiment do it. Francis Bacon provided the classic reason:</p>
<p>Argumentation cannot suffice for  the discovery of new work, since the subtlety of Nature is greater many times  than the subtlety of argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another aspect to keep in mind, as talked about by Carl Sagan, are common logical fallacies, something we talk about often on <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/logical-fallacies/">Heaving Dead Cats</a>. Here is another excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>In addition to teaching us what to do when evaluating a claim to knowledge, any good baloney detection kit must also teach us what not to do. It helps us recognize the most common and perilous fallacies of logic and rhetoric. Many good examples can be found in religion and politics, because their practitioners are so often obliged to justify two contradictory propositions. Among these fallacies are:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/22/logical-fallacy-2-ad-hominem-personal-attack/"><strong>ad hominem</strong></a> &#8211; Latin for &#8220;to the man,&#8221; attacking the arguer and not the argument (e.g., The Reverend Dr. Smith is a known Biblical fundamentalist, so her objections to evolution need not be taken seriously);</li>
<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/20/logical-fallacy-5-argument-from-final-authority/"><strong>argument from authority</strong></a> (e.g., President Richard Nixon should be re-elected because he has a secret plan to end the war in Southeast Asia &#8212; but because it was secret, there was no way for the electorate to evaluate it on its merits; the argument amounted to trusting him because he was President: a mistake, as it turned out);</li>
<li><strong>argument from adverse consequences</strong> (e.g., A God meting out punishment and reward must exist, because if He didn&#8217;t, society would be much more lawless and dangerous &#8212; perhaps even ungovernable.* Or: The defendant in a widely publicized murder trial must be found guilty; otherwise, it will be an encouragement for other men to murder their wives);</li>
<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/29/logical-fallacy-4-argumentum-ad-ignorantiam/"><strong>appeal to ignorance</strong></a> &#8211; the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa (e.g., There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore UFOs exist &#8212; and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Or: There may be seventy kazillion other worlds, but not one is known to have the moral advancement of the Earth, so we&#8217;re still central to the Universe.) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.</li>
<li><strong>special pleading</strong>, often to rescue a proposition in deep rhetorical trouble (e.g., How can a merciful God condemn future generations to torment because, against orders, one woman induced one man to eat an apple? Special plead: you don&#8217;t understand the subtle Doctrine of Free Will. Or: How can there be an equally godlike Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in the same Person? Special plead: You don&#8217;t understand the Divine Mystery of the Trinity. Or: How could God permit the followers of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam &#8212; each in their own way enjoined to heroic measures of loving kindness and compassion &#8212; to have perpetrated so much cruelty for so long? Special plead: You don&#8217;t understand Free Will again. And anyway, God moves in mysterious ways.)</li>
<li><strong>begging the question</strong>, also called assuming the answer (e.g., We must institute the death penalty to discourage violent crime. But does the violent crime rate in fact fall when the death penalty is imposed? Or: The stock market fell yesterday because of a technical adjustment and profit-taking by investors &#8212; but is there any independent evidence for the causal role of &#8220;adjustment&#8221; and profit-taking; have we learned anything at all from this purported explanation?);</li>
<li><strong>observational selection</strong>, also called the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses, (Neece calls it <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/27/logical-fallacy-8-cherry-picking/">cherry-picking</a>) (e.g., A state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent on its serial killers);</li>
<li><strong>statistics of small numbers </strong>- a close relative of observational selection (e.g., &#8220;They say 1 out of every 5 people is Chinese. How is this possible? I know hundreds of people, and none of them is Chinese. Yours truly.&#8221; Or: &#8220;I&#8217;ve thrown three sevens in a row. Tonight I can&#8217;t lose.&#8221;);<br />
misunderstanding of the nature of statistics (e.g., President Dwight Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence);</li>
<li><strong>inconsistency</strong> (e.g., Prudently plan for the worst of which a potential military adversary is capable, but thriftily ignore scientific projections on environmental dangers because they&#8217;re not &#8220;proved.&#8221; Or: Attribute the declining life expectancy in the former Soviet Union to the failures of communism many years ago, but never attribute the high infant mortality rate in the United States (now highest of the major industrial nations) to the failures of capitalism. Or: Consider it reasonable for the Universe to continue to exist forever into the future, but judge absurd the possibility that it has infinite duration into the past);</li>
<li><strong>non sequitur</strong> &#8211; Latin for &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t follow&#8221; (e.g., Our nation will prevail because God is great. But nearly every nation pretends this to be true; the German formulation was &#8220;Gott mit uns&#8221;). Often those falling into the non sequitur fallacy have simply failed to recognize alternative possibilities;</li>
<li><strong>post hoc, ergo propter hoc</strong> &#8211; Latin for &#8220;It happened after, so it was caused by&#8221; (e.g., Jaime Cardinal Sin, Archbishop of Manila: &#8220;I know of &#8230; a 26-year-old who looks 60 because she takes [contraceptive] pills.&#8221; Or: Before women got the vote, there were no nuclear weapons);<br />
meaningless question (e.g., What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? But if there is such a thing as an irresistible force there can be no immovable objects, and vice versa);</li>
<li><strong>excluded middle</strong>, or <strong>false dichotomy</strong> &#8211; considering only the two extremes in a continuum of intermediate possibilities (e.g., &#8220;Sure, take his side; my husband&#8217;s perfect; I&#8217;m always wrong.&#8221; Or: &#8220;Either you love your country or you hate it.&#8221; Or: &#8220;If you&#8217;re not part of the solution, you&#8217;re part of the problem&#8221;);</li>
<li><strong>short-term vs. long-term</strong> &#8211; a subset of the excluded middle, but so important I&#8217;ve pulled it out for special attention (e.g., We can&#8217;t afford programs to feed malnourished children and educate pre-school kids. We need to urgently deal with crime on the streets. Or: Why explore space or pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?);</li>
<li><strong>slippery slope</strong>, related to excluded middle (e.g., If we allow abortion in the first weeks of pregnancy, it will be impossible to prevent the killing of a full-term infant. Or, conversely: If the state prohibits abortion even in the ninth month, it will soon be telling us what to do with our bodies around the time of conception);</li>
<li><strong>confusion of correlation and causation</strong> (e.g., A survey shows that more college graduates are homosexual than those with lesser education; therefore education makes people gay. Or: Andean earthquakes are correlated with closest approaches of the planet Uranus; therefore &#8211; despite the absence of any such correlation for the nearer, more massive planet Jupiter &#8212; the latter causes the former*);</li>
<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/20/logical-fallacy-1-straw-man/"><strong>straw man</strong></a> &#8211; caricaturing a position to make it easier to attack (e.g., Scientists suppose that living things simply fell together by chance &#8212; a formulation that willfully ignores the central Darwinian insight, that Nature ratchets up by saving what works and discarding what doesn&#8217;t. Or &#8211; this is also a short-term/long-term fallacy &#8212; environmentalists care more for snail darters and spotted owls than they do for people);</li>
<li><strong>suppressed evidence</strong>, or <strong>half-truths</strong> (e.g., An amazingly accurate and widely quoted &#8220;prophecy&#8221; of the assassination attempt on President Reagan is shown on television; but &#8211; an important detail &#8211; was it recorded before or after the event? Or: These government abuses demand revolution, even if you can&#8217;t make an omelette without breaking some eggs. Yes, but is this likely to be a revolution in which far more people are killed than under the previous regime? What does the experience of other revolutions suggest? Are all revolutions against oppressive regimes desirable and in the interests of the people?);</li>
<li><strong>weasel words</strong> (e.g., The separation of powers of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the United States may not conduct a war without a declaration by Congress. On the other hand, Presidents are given control of foreign policy and the conduct of wars, which are potentially powerful tools for getting themselves re-elected. Presidents of either political party may therefore be tempted to arrange wars while waving the flag and calling the wars something else &#8211; &#8220;police actions,&#8221; &#8220;armed incursions,&#8221; &#8220;protective reaction strikes,&#8221; &#8220;pacification,&#8221; &#8220;safeguarding American interests,&#8221; and a wide variety of &#8220;operations,&#8221; such as &#8220;Operation Just Cause.&#8221; Euphemisms for war are one of a broad class of reinventions of language for political purposes. Talleyrand said, &#8220;An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public&#8221;).</li>
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<p>Knowing the existence of such logical and rhetorical fallacies rounds out our toolkit. Like all tools, the baloney detection kit can be misused, applied out of context, or even employed as a rote alternative to thinking. But applied judiciously, it can make all the difference in the world &#8212; not least in evaluating our own arguments before we present them to others.</p></blockquote>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/05/religulous-were-on-the-road-to-nowhere/" title="Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere (January 5, 2009)">Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere</a> (3)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/13/podcasts-and-internet-radio-stations-you-may-enjoy/" title="Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy (February 13, 2010)">Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/15/mr-deity-and-the-skeptic-michael-shermer/" title="Mr. Deity and the Skeptic! (Michael Shermer) (September 15, 2009)">Mr. Deity and the Skeptic! (Michael Shermer)</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/02/christian-proselytizer-questionnaire/" title="The Christian Questionnaire (December 2, 2008)">The Christian Questionnaire</a> (6)</li>
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		<title>Holiday Cards For Atheists and Nontheists</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everyone! Sorry for the delay in posting but things got a bit crazy here. My friend Will and I were interviewed for WV Public Radio the other day and that kept me busy getting ready. I will be sure to link you to the broadcast when it goes live next week. It was regarding our billboard and new organization, the Morgantown Coalition of Reason, that I&#8217;ve mentioned. It&#8217;s been keeping me quite busy.</p>
<p>Anyway, the other thing that has kept me busy is thinking of the holidays that are fast approaching. While I like getting together with friends and family and celebrating, I don&#8217;t like the religious nature of it all (of course). One thing that really frustrates me is the card selection.</p>
<p>So I decided to try my hand at designing some irreverent cards! I dug through my favorite winter pictures that I&#8217;ve taken over the years, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everyone! Sorry for the delay in posting but things got a bit crazy here. My friend Will and I were interviewed for WV Public Radio the other day and that kept me busy getting ready. I will be sure to link you to the broadcast when it goes live next week. It was regarding our billboard and new organization, the Morgantown Coalition of Reason, that I&#8217;ve mentioned. It&#8217;s been keeping me quite busy.</p>
<p>Anyway, the other thing that has kept me busy is thinking of the holidays that are fast approaching. While I like getting together with friends and family and celebrating, I don&#8217;t like the religious nature of it all (of course). One thing that really frustrates me is the card selection.</p>
<p>So I decided to try my hand at designing some irreverent cards! I dug through my favorite winter pictures that I&#8217;ve taken over the years, then came up with some messages for nontheists (with the help of my most awesome husband Butch, of course), and uploaded them to Zazzle.</p>
<p>I would like to do a few more, but these are a good start, I think. If you have ideas you&#8217;d like to see created, feel free to comment or <a href="mailto:heavingdeadcats@gmail.com">Email Me</a>.</p>
<p>~ Begin Shameless Promotion Here~</p>
<p>Just Be Good For Goodness Sake! Three cards with original photography by © ZeNeece and 3 slightly different messages.</p>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/the_cardinals_agree-137848704859463965?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/the_cardinals_agree-p1378487048594639657l0q_325.jpg" alt="The Cardinals Agree card" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/the_cardinals_agree-137848704859463965?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">The Cardinals Agree Card</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_card-137197018530467539?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_card-p1371970185304675398g3x_325.jpg" alt="Retain Your Reason This Season! card" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_card-137197018530467539?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">Retain Your Reason This Season! Card</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/snow_angel_jesus_card-137229100024052824?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/snow_angel_jesus_card-p1372291000240528247l0q_325.jpg" alt="Snow Angel Jesus card" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/snow_angel_jesus_card-137229100024052824?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">Snow Angel Jesus Card</a></div>
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<p>See inside messages and matching stamps as well as postcards: <span id="more-2125"></span></p>
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<td style="text-align: center;">Message in card and on back of postcard:</p>
<p>These Cardinals Agree!<br />
Just Be Good For Goodness Sake!<br />
Enjoy The Season No<br />
Matter What You Celebrate</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Message in card and on back of postcard:</p>
<p>Tis The Season To Retain Your Reason!<br />
Just Be Good For Goodness Sake!<br />
Enjoy The Season No<br />
Matter What You Celebrate</td>
<td style="text-align: center;">Message in card and on back of postcard:</p>
<p>Lighten Up!<br />
Just Be Good For Goodness Sake!<br />
Enjoy The Season No<br />
Matter What You Celebrate</td>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/the_cardinals_agree_postage-172874157498202666?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/the_cardinals_agree_postage-p172874157498202666anr9r_325.jpg" alt="The Cardinals Agree stamp" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/the_cardinals_agree_postage-172874157498202666?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392 target=">The Cardinals Agree Stamp</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_postage-172918610080037613?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_postage-p172918610080037613anr9r_325.jpg" alt="Retain Your Reason This Season! stamp" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_postage-172918610080037613?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">Retain Your Reason This Season! Stamp</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/snow_angel_jesus_postage-172217063124620027?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/snow_angel_jesus_postage-p172217063124620027anr9r_325.jpg" alt="Snow Angel Jesus stamp" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/snow_angel_jesus_postage-172217063124620027?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">Snow Angel Jesus Stamp</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/the_cardinals_agree_postcard-239872294201076846?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/the_cardinals_agree_postcard-p2398722942010768467onr_325.jpg" alt="The Cardinals Agree postcard" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/the_cardinals_agree_postcard-239872294201076846?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">The Cardinals Agree Postcard</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_postcard-239832200932181898?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_postcard-p2398322009321818987mpi_325.jpg" alt="Retain Your Reason This Season! postcard" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/retain_your_reason_this_season_postcard-239832200932181898?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">Retain Your Reason This Season! Postcard</a></div>
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<div style="text-align:center;line-height:150%"><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/snow_angel_jesus_postcard-239235360702395579?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/snow_angel_jesus_postcard-p2392353607023955797onr_325.jpg" alt="Snow Angel Jesus postcard" width="260" height="260" /></a><br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/snow_angel_jesus_postcard-239235360702395579?gl=SirLeeTees&amp;rf=238103958359493392" target="_blank">Snow Angel Jesus Postcard</a></div>
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<p>~<br />
Sir Lee Tees will customize designs for you, or create something entirely new. Just email them at <a href="mailto:sirleetees@gmail.com">sirleetees@gmail.com</a>. See more irreverent designs at <a href="http://www.sirleetees.com/" target="_blank">SirLeeTees.com</a> or their <a href="http://www.zazzle.com/sirleetees*" target="_blank">Zazzle Store</a>.</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/07/advice-for-freethinking-kids/" title="Advice For Freethinking Kids? (November 7, 2009)">Advice For Freethinking Kids?</a> (14)</li>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/04/12/hoppy-easter-heathens/" title="Hoppy Easter, Heathens! (April 12, 2009)">Hoppy Easter, Heathens!</a> (10)</li>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/picdump-40.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2122 alignleft" title="ruppy as canvas" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/picdump-40-335x450.jpg" alt="ruppy as canvas" width="335" height="450" /></a>I don&#8217;t have children, but this issue is still very important to me because I care about kids being indoctrinated and screwed up by their parents and role models.</p>
<p>But as an atheist, freethinker, or skeptic, what do you teach kids about religion? Maybe because I&#8217;m removed from the issue it seems rather easy to me. Teach them the same thing about christianity, islam, judaism and all the other active religions that I was taught about Greek Mythology.</p>
<p>I think religion plays such a huge role in the world today, you can&#8217;t ignore it. But you don&#8217;t have to believe it to share it with young people any more than my teachers believed Zeus threw lightning bolts at people when he was mad at them. I don&#8217;t feel religion is helpful in any respect except as a cultural phenomenon. The big three certainly don&#8217;t have good moral values. So [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/picdump-40.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2122 alignleft" title="ruppy as canvas" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/picdump-40-335x450.jpg" alt="ruppy as canvas" width="335" height="450" /></a>I don&#8217;t have children, but this issue is still very important to me because I care about kids being indoctrinated and screwed up by their parents and role models.</p>
<p>But as an atheist, freethinker, or skeptic, what do you teach kids about religion? Maybe because I&#8217;m removed from the issue it seems rather easy to me. Teach them the same thing about christianity, islam, judaism and all the other active religions that I was taught about Greek Mythology.</p>
<p>I think religion plays such a huge role in the world today, you can&#8217;t ignore it. But you don&#8217;t have to believe it to share it with young people any more than my teachers believed Zeus threw lightning bolts at people when he was mad at them. I don&#8217;t feel religion is helpful in any respect except as a cultural phenomenon. The big three certainly don&#8217;t have good moral values. So don&#8217;t try to raise an atheist. Try to raise a child to make their own decisions given all the information.</p>
<p>Kids need to learn two things, above all else. They need to learn critical thinking, how to think for themselves. And they need to understand basic morals and ethics. The school system doesn&#8217;t teach either of these things. And really, it&#8217;s more of an issue that parents should want to handle themselves.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, though. If you are a parent you might never have been taught critical thinking. So guess what? You need to learn it too! I only learned to think critically a few years ago, so even old dogs can learn to think for themselves. It takes practice and diligence, but it isn&#8217;t an insurmountable task.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll share what I know in a future post. In the meantime, read what <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-skepticism-reveals" target="_blank">Michael Shermer</a> has to say about skepticism, which is closely related to critical thinking.</p>

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