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		<title>Logical Fallacies in Advertising</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/06/01/logical-fallacies-in-advertising-part-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awhile ago I wrote about Advertisements and Logical Fallacies. It was basically just an overview, but this time I thought I&#8217;d list some of the actual fallacies in advertising. No matter where we go, we&#8217;re bombarded with advertising and marketing. While companies have to follow the letter of the law and be &#8220;truthful&#8221; there are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/128704860789752067.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2824" title="finking outzide da box" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/128704860789752067.jpg" alt="" width="320" height="240" /></a>Awhile ago I wrote about <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/03/12/advertisements-and-logical-fallacies-part-1/">Advertisements  and Logical Fallacies</a>. It was basically just an overview, but this  time I thought I&#8217;d list some of the actual fallacies in advertising. No  matter where we go, we&#8217;re bombarded with advertising and marketing.  While companies have to follow the letter of the law and be &#8220;truthful&#8221;  there are loopholes and ways to avoid following the spirit of the law.</p>
<p>This is part of a series on <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/logical-fallacies/">Logical  Fallacies</a>.</p>
<p>People are highly suggestible. That&#8217;s just the way it is. I&#8217;m a  skeptic and I still fall prey to suggestibility. Usually I catch myself  and then put on my critical thinking cap, but it happens to the best of  us. The fact that companies (anyone using a marketing campaign,  including governments) go out of their way to trick us into buying their  stuff, meaning that more than ever we have to be critical thinkers in  our everyday lives.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/22/logical-fallacy-2-ad-hominem-personal-attack/">Ad  Hominem</a>: often used in political campaigns where some character flaw  is brought up. If it doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with their ability to  do their job, it&#8217;s irrelevant, and therefore a logical fallacy.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion" target="_blank">Appeal to Emotion</a>: any emotion can be exploited. If  they manipulate your feelings of sympathy, sexuality, anger, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear" target="_blank">fear</a>,  love, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_pity" target="_blank">pity</a>,  pride, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_flattery" target="_blank">flattery</a>, <a href="http://www.fallacyfiles.org/wishthnk.html" target="_blank">wishful  thinking</a>, <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/29/logical-fallacy-4-argumentum-ad-ignorantiam/">ignorance</a>,  etc., the company then snags you. You make a decision based on that  feeling. No logic or real benefit is addressed. This is a type of <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/02/23/logical-fallacy-7-the-red-herring/">Red  Herring</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fallacyfiles.org/bandwagn.html" target="_blank">The  Bandwagon</a>: everyone else is doing it or buying it so you should  too. But that is irrelevant. Even if 99 people in 100 buy X toothpaste,  it doesn&#8217;t mean X toothpaste is a good product. It just means the  company is good at marketing. Do your research!<span id="more-2723"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma" target="_blank">False  Dilemma</a>: The either-or fallacy: Only two options are given when in  fact others are there but not mentioned. This is black and white  thinking. A company makes it sound like you have to choose between one  of two extremes, and their product or service is the only choice you  could make because the other is awful. In fact usually there is a range   of choices or a continuum of how the situation works, not just the two  extremes. And they may not even be mutually exclusive as shown.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear" target="_blank">Appeal  to Fear</a>: An appeal to emotion, this is common in politics and  marketing. Deception and propaganda are used in an attempt to increase  your fear and prejudice toward the competitor. The False Dilemma is  implied, because if A is scary then B is offered as your only  alternative.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization" target="_blank">Hasty Generalization</a>: Making a decision based on  insufficient evidence. Often there is a broad conclusion using  statistics of a small group even thought it fails to represent the whole  population.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/02/23/logical-fallacy-7-the-red-herring/">Red  Herring</a>: A diversionary tactic. Bringing an argument up in response  to another argument which does not address the real issue. Usually  there is an appeal to emotion in there as well. There are many kinds of  red herring arguments. Some used in advertising would be Appeal to  Tradition, Style over Substance, Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, Appeal to  Authority, and many more.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition" target="_blank">Appeal to  Tradition</a>: An idea is deemed correct based on the correlation with  some past or present tradition. Basically, this is right because it&#8217;s  always been done this way. Two assumptions are made: the old way of  thinking was proven correct when it was introduced (when in fact this  may be false), and the past justifications for the tradition are still  valid at present (but the circumstances may have changed).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/20/logical-fallacy-5-argument-from-final-authority/">Appeal  to Authority</a>: Saying something is true because a perceived  authority figure says it&#8217;s true. This is the opposite of the ad hominem  argument because the arguer is appealing to positive characteristics of  the person to support their argument. A classic example is a person in a  lab coat. The person is probably an actor, but they appear to be a  scientist so whatever they say must be true. Another example is a  business suit. If someone has a nice suit on, it doesn&#8217;t mean they are  experts at anything.</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/02/23/logical-fallacy-7-the-red-herring/" title="Logical Fallacy 7: The Red Herring (February 23, 2009)">Logical Fallacy 7: The Red Herring</a> (11)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/22/logical-fallacy-2-ad-hominem-personal-attack/" title="Logical Fallacy 2: Ad Hominem- A Personal Attack (October 22, 2008)">Logical Fallacy 2: Ad Hominem- A Personal Attack</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/08/01/critical-thinking-for-everyone/" title="Critical Thinking For Everyone (August 1, 2010)">Critical Thinking For Everyone</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/08/you-are-wrong-because/" title="You Are Wrong Because: (September 8, 2009)">You Are Wrong Because:</a> (12)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/15/some-great-advice-by-robert-gula/" title="Some Great Advice by Robert Gula (November 15, 2009)">Some Great Advice by Robert Gula</a> (1)</li>
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		<title>Pure Atheism vs Skeptical Atheism</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/04/16/pure-atheism-vs-skeptical-atheism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite some time ago I noticed that all atheists do not approach nonbelief the same. I, for one, was first a doubter, then an agnostic, then an atheist who still believed in woo, then a full on skeptic and atheist. One of my new friends on Facebook, Cursus Walker, put it clearly the other day [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2715" title="2449871221_557d5becf0_b" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2449871221_557d5becf0_b-328x450.jpg" alt="" width="227" height="313" />Quite some time ago I noticed that all atheists do not approach nonbelief the same. I, for one, was first a doubter, then an agnostic, then an atheist who still believed in woo, then a full on skeptic and atheist. One of my new friends on Facebook, Cursus Walker, put it clearly the other day in a strange conversation a bunch of atheists had in a new group I joined called People for the Ethical Treatment of Atheists. (lol!)</p>
<p>Cursus Walker said, &#8220;I make a distinction between Pure and Skeptical Atheism. The former refers only to lacking belief in gods, while the latter extends the attitude to all supernaturalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more! I like the terms and thought I&#8217;d share them with you.</p>
<p><strong>Pure Atheism</strong>: A lack of belief in gods.</p>
<p><strong>Skeptical Atheism</strong>: A lack of belief in all things supernatural.</p>
<p>As a skeptical atheist, I have trouble understanding how people can believe in ghosts, ESP, life after death, or anything along those lines, while not believing in any gods. So the concepts aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive. But it still amazes me to run into atheists who use no skepticism or logical reasoning when it comes to supernatural woo. Can&#8217;t you just feel the cognitive dissonance?</p>
<p>And why do you think that is? Is it a need for comfort? Is it fear of the unknown and death? Is it ignorance in science and the laws of nature? All of the above? Probably.</p>
<p>Of course, as synchronicity would have it, I stumbled upon a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup" target="_blank">QualiaSoup</a> video (thanks to my awesome husband) shortly after and it was so good I have to share it with you here. It&#8217;s kind of relevant, but excellent in its own right. About 10 minutes long.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo&amp;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">Putting Faith in its Place</a></p>
<p><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="480" height="385" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5wV_REEdvxo&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="480" height="385" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5wV_REEdvxo&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/06/08/what-level-of-woo-would-make-someone-undateable/" title="What Level Of Woo Would Make Someone Undateable? (June 8, 2010)">What Level Of Woo Would Make Someone Undateable?</a> (20)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/05/religulous-were-on-the-road-to-nowhere/" title="Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere (January 5, 2009)">Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere</a> (3)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/02/13/podcasts-and-internet-radio-stations-you-may-enjoy/" title="Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy (February 13, 2010)">Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/04/atheism-at-a-glance-bbc-style/" title="Atheism at a glance- BBC Style (September 4, 2009)">Atheism at a glance- BBC Style</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/29/what-is-atheism-to-you-conversations-with-craig-the-christian-1/" title="What Is Atheism To You? Conversations With Craig the Christian 1 (March 29, 2009)">What Is Atheism To You? Conversations With Craig the Christian 1</a> (36)</li>
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		<title>Science Can Answer Moral Questions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Harris gave a talk at TED recently and it&#8217;s now available. He talked about morals and how science doesn&#8217;t have to stay silent when it comes to what is best for conscious beings. It was very interesting. Please share it around if you like what he has to say. I&#8217;d love to hear your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Harris gave a talk at <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right.html" target="_blank">TED</a> recently and it&#8217;s now available. He talked about morals and how science doesn&#8217;t have to stay silent when it comes to what is best for conscious beings. It was very interesting. Please share it around if you like what he has to say. I&#8217;d love to hear your opinions in the comments. I agree with him.</p>
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<p>About the talk:<br />
Questions of good and evil, right and wrong are commonly thought unanswerable by science. But Sam Harris argues that science can &#8212; and should &#8212; be an authority on moral issues, shaping human values and setting out what constitutes a good life.</p>
<p>Sam&#8217;s project: <a href="http://www.project-reason.org/" target="_blank">Project Reason</a><br />
His homepage: <a href="http://www.samharris.org/" target="_blank">SamHarris.org</a></p>

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		<title>Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both excellent. My Favorites: SGU: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &amp; technology through interviews.</li>
<li><a href="http://doubtreligion.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Reasonable  Doubts</a> (Your Skeptical Guide to Religion): A special focus on  counter-apologetics. They provide detailed counter-points to the  fallacious logic and blatant misinformation used by religious apologists  when attempting to discredit skepticism and provide rational arguments  for their dogmas. They also defend the sufficiency of reason, science  and naturalistic philosophies to provide a satisfactory and morally  compelling understanding of the cosmos, human nature, art and culture.  They try to do this all with fair-mindedness and humor. Winner of the  Peoples Choice Podcast Award for best religious/inspirational podcast of  2009</li>
<li><a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/" target="_blank">The Naked Scientists</a> and another podcast, Ask the  Naked Scientists: The Naked Scientists are a group of physicians and  researchers from Cambridge University who use radio, live lectures, and  the Internet to strip science down to its bare essentials, and promote  it to the general public. Each week, listeners of all ages and  backgrounds tune in on a Sunday evening to hear creator Dr. Chris Smith,  together with his entertaining scientist sidekicks, interview renowned  scientists and researchers from all over the world and take science  questions on any subject live from the listening public.</li>
<li><a href="http://startalkradio.net/" target="_blank">StarTalk</a> with  Neil DeGrasse Tyson: a radio show devoted to all things space and is  hosted by renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.mrdeity.com/" target="_blank">Mr. Deity</a> (video, not podcast, but you can  subscribe through iTunes): a webshow that looks at the every-day life of  the creator and everything he must endure as he attempts to manage his  creation.</li>
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<p>My friend and fellow science lover Brent sent me a list of his  favorites as well, which is actually what sparked this post:<span id="more-2511"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>The Center for Inquiry&#8217;s <a href="http://pointofinquiry.org/" target="_blank">Point of Inquiry</a>:  Point of Inquiry explores CFI’s three research areas:
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		<description><![CDATA[Contrary to many assumptions, evolutionary theory did not begin in 1859 with Charles Darwin and The Origin of Species. Rather, evolution-like ideas had existed since the times of the Greeks, and had been in and out of favor in the periods between ancient Greece and Victorian England. Indeed, by Darwin&#8217;s time the idea of evolution [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/charles_darwin1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2496" title="charles_darwin" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/charles_darwin1.jpg" alt="" width="317" height="365" /></a>Contrary to many assumptions, evolutionary theory did not begin in 1859 with Charles Darwin and <a href="&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0451529065?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0451529065&quot;&gt;The Origin Of Species&lt;/a&gt;" target="_blank">The Origin of Species</a>. Rather, evolution-like ideas had existed since the times of the Greeks, and had been in and out of favor in the periods between ancient Greece and Victorian England. Indeed, by Darwin&#8217;s time the idea of evolution &#8211; called &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_with_modification" target="_blank">descent with modification</a>&#8221; &#8211; was not especially controversial, and several other evolutionary theories had already been proposed. Darwin may stand at the beginning of a modern tradition, but he is also the final culmination of an ancient speculation.</p>
<p><strong>Evolution in Greece</strong></p>
<p>While the Greeks did not specifically refer to their concepts as &#8220;evolution&#8221;, they did have a philosophical notion of descent with modification. Several different Greek philosophers subscribed to a concept of origination, arguing that all things originated from water or air. Another common concept was the idea that all things descended from one central, guiding principle.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales" target="_blank">Thales</a> ( 624 &#8211; 546 BCE): asserted that all things originated from water.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaximander" target="_blank">Anaximander</a> (610 &#8211; 546 BCE): With his assertion that physical forces, rather than supernatural means, create order in the universe, Anaximander can be considered the first scientist. He is known to have conducted the earliest recorded scientific experiment. He suggested that living beings gradually developed from moisture with warmth. He also thought that the first humans were born, fully formed, from the wombs of fish, since they needed care for a long time.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaximenes_of_Miletus" target="_blank">Anaximenes</a> (585 &#8211; 528 BCE): Thought air was the principle of all things, and regarded the process as a thinning or thickening.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/empedocl/" target="_blank">Empedocles</a> (490 &#8211; 430 BCE): Thought that the first creatures were not fully formed but consisted of unconnected limbs. He established the concept of everything in the universe being made up of four elements: fire, air, water and earth, which was the standard for the next two thousand years.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" target="_blank">Aristotle</a> (384  – 322 BCE): <a href="http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Great_Chain_of_Being" target="_blank">The Great Chain of Being</a>: He thought there was a transition between the living and the nonliving, and theorized that in  all things there is a constant desire to move from the lower to the  higher, finally becoming the divine.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/lucretiu/" target="_blank">Lucretius</a> (99 &#8211; 55 BCE): He was the first to suggest extinctions and that the survivors survived by &#8220;cunning or speed&#8221;.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Medieval Theories</strong></p>
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<p>During medieval times, the idea of evolution was quite out of fashion, since the time was dominated by the christian theory of special creation. This idea, which argued that all living things came into existence in unchanging forms due to divine will, was notably in opposition to the concept of evolution.</p>
<p>Medieval thinking was also, oddly enough, confused by the idea of spontaneous generation, which stated that living things can appear fully formed from inorganic matter. In this view, maggots came from rotting meat, frogs came from slime, etc. This sort of a concept prevented both genetic thinking and speculation about evolution or descent with modification. Nevertheless, a few philosophers theorized about some sort of teleological principle by which species might derive from a divine form.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher" target="_blank">James Ussher</a> &#8211; 1581-1656</p>
<p>The traditional Judeo-Christian version of creationism was strongly reinforced by James Ussher, a 17th century Anglican archbishop of Armagh in Northern Ireland.  By counting the generations of the Bible and adding them to modern history, he fixed the date of creation at October 23, 4004 B.C.  During Ussher&#8217;s lifetime, debate focused only on the details of his calculations rather than on the approach.  Dr. Charles Lightfoot of Cambridge University in England had the last word.  He proclaimed that the time of creation was 9:00 A.M. on October 23, 4004 B.C.</p>
<p>This belief that the earth and life on it are only about 6000 years old fit neatly with the then prevalent theory of the &#8220;Great Chain of Being.&#8221;  This held that God created an infinite and continuous series of life forms, each one grading into the next, from simplest to most complex, and that all organisms, including humans, were created in their present form relatively recently and that they have remained unchanged since then.  Given these strongly held beliefs, it is not surprising that 17th and 18th century European biology consisted mainly of the description of plants and animals as they are with virtually no attempt to explain how they got to be that way.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant" target="_blank">Immanuel Kant</a> &#8211; 1724-1804</p>
<p>The German philosopher <a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/kantmeta/" target="_blank">Immanuel Kant</a> developed a concept of descent that is relatively close to modern thinking; he did in a way anticipate Darwinian thinking. Based on similarities between organisms, Kant speculated that they may have come from a single ancestral source. In a thoroughly modern speculation, he mused that &#8220;an orang-outang or a chimpanzee may develop the organs which serve for walking, grasping objects, and speaking-in short, that lie may evolve the structure of man, with an organ for the use of reason, which shall gradually develop itself by social culture&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Biological Conceptions of Evolution</strong></p>
<p>The preceding discussion has focused on the philosophical components of evolutionary theory, but precursors exist for its biological aspects as well. Indeed, as mentioned above, by Darwin&#8217;s time the concept of descent with modification was hardly controversial &#8211; it was only the mechanism, the rate of modification, and the ultimate origin of life that were being debated. Darwin&#8217;s major breakthrough consisted in providing a plausible mechanism to drive change in organisms.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Linnaeus" target="_blank">Carolus Linnaeus</a><strong> &#8211; </strong>1707-1778</p>
<p>Carolus Linnaeus, or Carl Linné, is considered the father of modern taxonomy for his work in hierarchical classification of various organisms. At first, he believed in the fixed nature of species, but he was later swayed by hybridization experiments in plants, which could produce new species. However, he maintained his belief in special creation in the Garden of Eden, consistent with the Christian doctrine to which he was quite devoted. He still saw the new species created by plant hybridization to have been part of God&#8217;s plan, and never considered the idea of open-ended, undirected evolution not mediated by the divine.</p>
<p>The concept of genus and species was actually developed in the late 1600&#8242;s by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ray" target="_blank">John Ray</a>, 1627-1705, an English naturalist and ordained minister.  However, it was Linnaeus who used this system to name us <em>Homo sapiens</em> (literally, &#8220;wise men&#8221;).  He also placed us in the order <em>Primates</em> (a larger, more inclusive category than our genus) along with all of the apes, monkeys, and prosimians.  This was very controversial at the time since it implied that people were part of nature, along with other animals and plants.  In addition, it meant that we were biologically closer to the other primates than to all other animals.</p>
<p>Late in the 18th century, a small number of European scientists began to quietly suggest that life forms are not fixed.  The French mathematician and naturalist, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Louis_Leclerc,_Comte_de_Buffon" target="_blank">George Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon</a>, 1707-1788, actually said that living things do change through time.  He speculated that this was somehow a result of influences from the environment or even chance.  He believed that the earth must be much older than 6000 years.  In 1774, in fact, he speculated that the earth must be at least 75,000 years old.  He also suggested that humans and apes are related.  Buffon was careful to hide his radical views in a limited edition 44 volume natural history book series called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785919961?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0785919961"><em>Histoire Naturelle</em></a> (1749-1804).  By doing this, he avoided broad public criticism.</p>
<p>Buffon was an early advocate of the Linnaean classification system.  He was also a quiet pioneer in asserting that species can change over generations.  However, he publicly rejected the idea that species could evolve into other species.  One of his most significant contributions to the biological sciences was his insistence that natural phenomena must be explained by natural laws rather than theological doctrine.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Darwin" target="_blank">Erasmus Darwin</a> &#8211; 1731-1802</p>
<p>Charles Darwin&#8217;s grandfather Erasmus Darwin  was also a distinguished naturalist with his own intriguing ideas about evolution. While he never thought of natural selection, he did argue that all life could a have a single common ancestor, though he struggled with the concepts of a mechanism for this descent. He also discussed the effects of competition and sexual selection on possible changes in species. Like Lamarck, Erasmus Darwin subscribed to a theory stating that the use or disuse of parts could in itself make them grow or shrink, and that unconscious striving by the organism was responsible for adaptation.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lamarck" target="_blank">Jean-Baptiste Lamarck</a> &#8211; 1744-1829</p>
<p>Jean-Baptiste Lamarck&#8217;s  theory of evolution was a good try for his time, but has now been discredited by experimental evidence and the much more plausible mechanism of modification proposed by Darwin. Lamarck saw species as not being fixed and immutable, but rather in a constantly changing state. He presented a multitude of different theories that he believed combined to explain descent with modification of these changing species.</p>
<p>Lamarck subscribed to a number of what we now know to be false beliefs about inheritance. First, like Erasmus Darwin, he argued for strong effects of the use and disuse of parts, which he thought would make the relevant parts change size or shape in accordance with their use. Second, Lamarck believed that all organisms fundamentally wanted to adapt themselves to their environment, and so they strove to become better adapted. The belief most commonly associated with Lamarck today is his idea of the inheritance of acquired characteristics. This theory stated that an organism could pass on to its offspring any characteristics it had acquired in its lifetime. For example, if a man exercised and thus developed strong muscles, his offspring would then have strong muscles at birth.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Cuvier" target="_blank">George Cuvier</a><strong> </strong>- 1769-1832</p>
<p>Lamarck did not invent the idea of inheritance of acquired characteristics but stated it clearly and publicly in an 1809 publication entitled <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/2080707078?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=2080707078">Philosophie Zoologique</a>. </em>It was relatively easy for the French scientist, George Cuvier, and other critics of Lamarck to discredit his theory.   If it was correct, the children of cowboys who have developed bowed legs as a result of a lifetime of riding horses would be born with bowed legs as well.  That, of course, does not occur.  Likewise, the children of professional weight lifters are not born with enlarged muscles.</p>
<p>While Lamarck&#8217;s explanation of evolution was incorrect, it is unfair to label him a bad scientist.  In fact, he was at the cutting edge of biological research for his time.  He and George Cuvier were largely responsible for making biology a distinct branch of science.</p>
<p>Despite his criticism of Lamarck, Cuvier did not reject the idea that there had been earlier life forms.  In fact, he was the first scientist to document extinctions of ancient animals and was an internationally respected expert on dinosaurs.  However, he rejected the idea that their existence implied that evolution had occurred &#8212; he dogmatically maintained the &#8220;fixity&#8221; of species.</p>
<p>Cuvier advocated the theory of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism" target="_blank">catastrophism</a>, as did most other leading scientists of his day.  This held that there have been violent and sudden natural catastrophes such as great floods and the rapid formation of major mountain chains.  Plants and animals living in those parts of the world where such events occurred were often killed off according to Cuvier.  Then new life forms moved in from other areas.  As a result, the fossil record for a region shows abrupt changes in species.  Cuvier&#8217;s explanation relied solely on scientific evidence rather than biblical interpretation.</p>
<p>A careful examination of European geological deposits in the early 19th century led the English lawyer and geologist, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lyell" target="_blank">Charles Lyell</a>, 1797-1875, to conclude that Cuvier&#8217;s catastrophism theory was wrong.  He believed that there primarily have been slower, progressive changes.  In his three volume <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226497941?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0226497941">Principles of Geology</a></em> (1830-1833), Lyell documented the fact that the earth must be very old and that it has been subject to the same sort of natural processes in the past that operate today in shaping the land.  These forces include erosion, earthquakes, glacial movements, volcanoes, and even the decomposition of plants and animals.</p>
<p>Lyell provided conclusive evidence for the theory of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism_%28science%29" target="_blank">uniformitarianism</a>, which had been developed originally by the late 18th century Scottish geologist, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hutton" target="_blank">James Hutton </a>- 1726-1797.  This held that the natural forces now changing the shape of the earth&#8217;s surface have been operating in the past much the same way.  In other words, the present is the key to understanding the past.</p>
<p>This revolutionary idea was instrumental in leading Charles Darwin to his understanding of biological evolution in the 1830&#8242;s.   However, it was not until the late 19th century that most educated people in the Western world finally rejected the theory of catastrophism in favor of uniformitarianism.</p>
<p>Today, we know that our planet has been shaped by occasional catastrophic events, such as bombardment of large meteors, in addition to the comparatively slower natural processes suggested by uniformitarianism.   All of these events have potentially affected the rate and direction of biological evolution.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus" target="_blank">Thomas Malthus</a> &#8211; 1766-1834</p>
<p>Thomas Malthus&#8217; theory of population growth was in the end what inspired Darwin to develop the theory of natural selection. According to Malthus, populations produce many more offspring than can possibly survive on the limited resources generally available. According to Malthus, poverty, famine, and disease were natural outcomes that resulted from overpopulation. However, Malthus believed that divine forces were ultimately responsible for such outcomes, which, though natural, were designed by God.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edmond_Grant" target="_blank">Robert Grant</a> &#8211; 1793-1874</p>
<p>He wrote <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0217905765?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0217905765">Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation</a></em>. It argued not only for biological evolution, but chemical and cosmological as well. It was largely scorned and was more of a philosophical work than a scientific one. But it was still very  influential on Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin" target="_blank">Charles Darwin</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace" target="_blank">Alfred Russel Wallace</a></p>
<p>Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace both independently developed the idea of the mechanism of natural selection after reading Thomas Malthus&#8217; Essay on the Principle of Population (1798). However, Darwin had been turning the problem over in his mind for some twenty years before he first published The Origin of Species. Moreover, Darwin was much more willing to explore the implications of natural selection, particularly in relation to humans, than Wallace was. In addition, Wallace was a champion of rather radical social causes and later openly embraced spiritualism &#8211; all elements that resulted in the downplay of his role in the discovery of natural selection.</p>
<p>While George  Cuvier and Charles Lyell strongly disagreed about how the earth got to be the way it is today, they both rejected the  idea of biological evolution.  However, neither man accepted a traditional biblical account of creation and a young earth.  Cuvier did not live long enough to learn about Charles Darwin&#8217;s proof of evolution, but  Lyell did.  He came to accept this proof in the early 1860&#8242;s along with most leading scientists of that time.  Lyell also became a friend of Charles  Darwin.</p>
<p><strong>Darwin&#8217;s Early Ideas</strong></p>
<p>Darwin proposed a few ideas before he came up with natural selection. One was called the Pangenetic hypothesis. It attempted to explain how acquired characteristics worked. This hypothesis proposed that cells produce small particles called pangenes or gemmules which end up in sex cells. When passed on to the offspring, the pangenes are able to exactly reproduce the organ in which they originated.</p>
<p>Another hypothesis by Darwin was the evolution of monads. This hypothesis stated that species adapt and old species are replaced by new ones, so the overall number of species remains the same. Monads arose by spontaneous generation and would evolve to become an ancestral species.</p>
<p>A modification of the monad hypothesis was that if a monad stopped producing new species it would die out.</p>
<p>Sources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_1.htm" target="_blank">Pre-Darwinian Theories</a></li>
<li><a href="http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/eh1.shtml" target="_blank">Pre-Darwinian Theories of Evolution</a></li>
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<p>Some Books:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0451529065?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0451529065">The Origin Of Species</a> by Charles Darwin</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595478868?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1595478868">Descent of Man</a> by Charles Darwin</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/140863080X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=140863080X">Darwiniana &#8211; Essays</a> by Thomas Huxley</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486456080?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0486456080">An Essay on the Principle of Population</a> by Thomas Malthus</li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684827123?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0684827123">The Song of the Dodo: Island Biogeography in an Age of Extinction</a> by David Quammen</li>
</ul>
<p>Websites:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evotmline.html" target="_blank">Timeline of Modern Evolutionary Thought</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evothought.html" target="_blank">A History of Evolutionary Thought</a></li>
<li>The Victorian Web: <a href="http://www.victorianweb.org/science/evolution.html" target="_blank">Evolution</a></li>
<li><a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/" target="_blank">The Complete Works of Charles Darwin Online</a></li>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Michael Nugent in Ireland, I found the following and thought I&#8217;d spread the blasphemy around and share it with you. Here&#8217;s to hoping Ireland gets a bit of sense and repeals this dangerous and ridiculous law. It&#8217;s a giant step backwards for human progress, as is the UN blasphemy movement that&#8217;s been going on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.michaelnugent.com/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/" target="_blank">Michael Nugent</a> in Ireland, I found the following and thought I&#8217;d spread the blasphemy around and share it with you. Here&#8217;s to hoping Ireland gets a bit of sense and repeals this dangerous and ridiculous law. It&#8217;s a giant step backwards for human progress, as is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_and_the_United_Nations" target="_blank">UN blasphemy movement</a> that&#8217;s been going on for awhile now. I&#8217;ve added some nice religious imagery for eye candy. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<blockquote><p>From January 1, 2010, the new Irish blasphemy law became operational, and those in <a href="http://www.atheist.ie/" target="_blank">Atheist Ireland</a> began their campaign to have it repealed. Blasphemy is now a crime punishable by a €25,000 fine. The new law defines blasphemy as publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that religion, with some defences permitted.</p>
<p>This new law is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because medieval religious laws have no place in a modern secular republic, where the criminal law should protect people and not ideas. And it is dangerous because it incentives religious outrage, and because Islamic States led by Pakistan are already using the wording of this Irish law to promote new blasphemy laws at UN level.</p>
<p>We believe in the golden rule: that we have a right to be treated justly, and that we have a responsibility to treat other people justly. Blasphemy laws are unjust: they silence people in order to protect ideas. In a civilised society, people have a right to to express and to hear ideas about religion even if other people find those ideas to be outrageous.</p>
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<p><strong><span id="more-2463"></span>Publication of 25 blasphemous quotes</strong></p>
<p>In this context we now publish a list of 25 blasphemous quotes, which have previously been published by or uttered by or attributed to Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Mark Twain, Tom Lehrer, Randy Newman, James Kirkup, Monty Python, Rev Ian Paisley, Conor Cruise O’Brien, Frank Zappa, Salman Rushdie, Bjork, Amanda Donohoe, George Carlin, Paul Woodfull, Jerry Springer the Opera, Tim Minchin, Richard Dawkins, Pope Benedict XVI, Christopher Hitchens, PZ Myers, Ian O’Doherty, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor and Dermot Ahern.</p>
<p>Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in relation to matters held sacred by various religions, we unreservedly support the right of these people to have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly support the right of any Irish citizen to make comparable statements about matters held sacred by any religion without fear of being criminalised, and without having to prove to a court that a reasonable person would find any particular value in the statement.</p>
<p><strong>Campaign begins to repeal the Irish blasphemy law</strong></p>
<p>We ask Fianna Fail and the Green Party to repeal their anachronistic blasphemy law, as part of the revision of the Defamation Act that is included within the Act. We ask them to hold a referendum to remove the reference to blasphemy from the Irish Constitution.</p>
<p>We also ask all TDs and Senators to support a referendum to remove references to God from the Irish Constitution, including the clauses that prevent atheists from being appointed as President of Ireland or as a Judge without swearing a religious oath asking God to direct them in their work.</p>
<p>If you run a website, blog or other media publication, please feel free to republish this statement and the list of quotes yourself, in order to show your support for the campaign to repeal the Irish blasphemy law and to promote a rational, ethical, secular Ireland.</p>
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<p><strong>List of 25 Blasphemous Quotes Published by Atheist Ireland</strong></p>
<p>1. <strong>Jesus Christ</strong>, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64: “Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.” According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.</p>
<p>2. <strong>Jesus Christ</strong>, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44: “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.” This is one of several chapters in the Christian Bible that can give a scriptural foundation to Christian anti-Semitism. The first part of John 8, the story of “whoever is without sin cast the first stone”, was not in the original version, but was added centuries later. The original John 8 is a debate between Jesus and some Jews. In brief, Jesus calls the Jews who disbelieve him sons of the Devil, the Jews try to stone him, and Jesus runs away and hides.</p>
<p>3. <strong>Muhammad</strong>, quoted in Hadith of Bukhari, Vol 1 Book 8 Hadith 427: “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their prophets.” This quote is attributed to Muhammad on his death-bed as a warning to Muslims not to copy this practice of the Jews and Christians. It is one of several passages in the Koran and in Hadith that can give a scriptural foundation to Islamic anti-Semitism, including the assertion in Sura 5:60 that Allah cursed Jews and turned some of them into apes and swine.</p>
<p>4.<strong> Mark Twain</strong>, describing the Christian Bible in Letters from the Earth, 1909: “Also it has another name – The Word of God. For the Christian thinks every word of it was dictated by God. It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies… But you notice that when the Lord God of Heaven and Earth, adored Father of Man, goes to war, there is no limit. He is totally without mercy – he, who is called the Fountain of Mercy. He slays, slays, slays! All the men, all the beasts, all the boys, all the babies; also all the women and all the girls, except those that have not been deflowered. He makes no distinction between innocent and guilty… What the insane Father required was blood and misery; he was indifferent as to who furnished it.” Twain’s book was published posthumously in 1939. His daughter, Clara Clemens, at first objected to it being published, but later changed her mind in 1960 when she believed that public opinion had grown more tolerant of the expression of such ideas. That was half a century before Fianna Fail and the Green Party imposed a new blasphemy law on the people of Ireland.</p>
<p>5. <strong>Tom Lehrer</strong>, The Vatican Rag, 1963: “Get in line in that processional, step into that small confessional. There, the guy who’s got religion’ll tell you if your sin’s original. If it is, try playing it safer, drink the wine and chew the wafer. Two, four, six, eight, time to transubstantiate!”</p>
<p>6. <strong>Randy Newman</strong>, God’s Song, 1972: “And the Lord said: I burn down your cities – how blind you must be. I take from you your children, and you say how blessed are we. You all must be crazy to put your faith in me. That’s why I love mankind.”</p>
<p>7. <strong>James Kirkup</strong>, The Love That Dares to Speak its Name, 1976: “While they prepared the tomb I kept guard over him. His mother and the Magdalen had gone to fetch clean linen to shroud his nakedness. I was alone with him… I laid my lips around the tip of that great cock, the instrument of our salvation, our eternal joy. The shaft, still throbbed, anointed with death’s final ejaculation.” This extract is from a poem that led to the last successful blasphemy prosecution in Britain, when Denis Lemon was given a suspended prison sentence after he published it in the now-defunct magazine Gay News. In 2002, a public reading of the poem, on the steps of St. Martin-in-the-Fields church in Trafalgar Square, failed to lead to any prosecution. In 2008, the British Parliament abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel.</p>
<p>8. Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath, in <strong>Monty Python’s Life of Brian</strong>, 1979: “Look, I had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.”</p>
<p>9. <strong>Rev Ian Paisley</strong> MEP to the Pope in the European Parliament, 1988: “I denounce you as the Antichrist.” Paisley’s website describes the Antichrist as being “a liar, the true son of the father of lies, the original liar from the beginning… he will imitate Christ, a diabolical imitation, Satan transformed into an angel of light, which will deceive the world.”</p>
<p>10. <strong>Conor Cruise O’Brien</strong>, 1989: “In the last century the Arab thinker Jamal al-Afghani wrote: ‘Every Muslim is sick and his only remedy is in the Koran.’ Unfortunately the sickness gets worse the more the remedy is taken.”</p>
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<p>11. <strong>Frank Zappa</strong>, 1989: “If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine – but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you’ve been bad or good – and cares about any of it – to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.”</p>
<p>12. <strong>Salman Rushdie</strong>, 1990: “The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas – uncertainty, progress, change – into crimes.” In 1989, Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran issued a fatwa ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie because of blasphemous passages in Rushdie’s novel The Satanic Verses.</p>
<p>13. <strong>Bjork</strong>, 1995: “I do not believe in religion, but if I had to choose one it would be Buddhism. It seems more livable, closer to men… I’ve been reading about reincarnation, and the Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fuck the Buddhists.”</p>
<p>14. <strong>Amanda Donoho</strong>e on her role in the Ken Russell movie Lair of the White Worm, 1995: “Spitting on Christ was a great deal of fun. I can’t embrace a male god who has persecuted female sexuality throughout the ages, and that persecution still goes on today all over the world.”</p>
<p>15. <strong>George Carlin</strong>, 1999: “Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!”</p>
<p>16. <strong>Paul Woodfull </strong>as Ding Dong Denny O’Reilly, The Ballad of Jaysus Christ, 2000: “He said me ma’s a virgin and sure no one disagreed, Cause they knew a lad who walks on water’s handy with his feet… Jaysus oh Jaysus, as cool as bleedin’ ice, With all the scrubbers in Israel he could not be enticed, Jaysus oh Jaysus, it’s funny you never rode, Cause it’s you I do be shoutin’ for each time I shoot me load.”</p>
<p>17. <strong>Jesus Christ</strong>, in Jerry Springer The Opera, 2003: “Actually, I’m a bit gay.” In 2005, the Christian Institute tried to bring a prosecution against the BBC for screening Jerry Springer the Opera, but the UK courts refused to issue a summons.</p>
<p>18. <strong>Tim Minchin</strong>, Ten-foot Cock and a Few Hundred Virgins, 2005: “So you’re gonna live in paradise, With a ten-foot cock and a few hundred virgins, So you’re gonna sacrifice your life, For a shot at the greener grass, And when the Lord comes down with his shiny rod of judgment, He’s gonna kick my heathen ass.”</p>
<p>19. <strong>Richard Dawkins</strong> in The God Delusion, 2006: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” In 2007 Turkish publisher Erol Karaaslan was charged with the crime of insulting believers for publishing a Turkish translation of The God Delusion. He was acquitted in 2008, but another charge was brought in 2009. Karaaslan told the court that “it is a right to criticise religions and beliefs as part of the freedom of thought and expression.”</p>
<p>20.<strong> Pope Benedict XVI</strong> quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor, 2006: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” This statement has already led to both outrage and condemnation of the outrage. The Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the world’s largest Muslim body, said it was a “character assassination of the prophet Muhammad”. The Malaysian Prime Minister said that “the Pope must not take lightly the spread of outrage that has been created.” Pakistan’s foreign Ministry spokesperson said that “anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence”. The European Commission said that “reactions which are disproportionate and which are tantamount to rejecting freedom of speech are unacceptable.”</p>
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<p>21. <strong>Christopher Hitchens</strong> in God is not Great, 2007: “There is some question as to whether Islam is a separate religion at all… Islam when examined is not much more than a rather obvious and ill-arranged set of plagiarisms, helping itself from earlier books and traditions as occasion appeared to require… It makes immense claims for itself, invokes prostrate submission or ‘surrender’ as a maxim to its adherents, and demands deference and respect from nonbelievers into the bargain. There is nothing-absolutely nothing-in its teachings that can even begin to justify such arrogance and presumption.”</p>
<p>22. <strong>PZ Myers</strong>, on the Roman Catholic communion host, 2008: “You would not believe how many people are writing to me, insisting that these horrible little crackers (they look like flattened bits of styrofoam) are literally pieces of their god, and that this omnipotent being who created the universe can actually be seriously harmed by some third-rate liberal intellectual at a third-rate university… However, inspired by an old woodcut of Jews stabbing the host, I thought of a simple, quick thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus’s tetanus shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old coffeegrounds and a banana peel.”</p>
<p>23. <strong>Ian O’Doherty</strong>, 2009: “(If defamation of religion was illegal) it would be a crime for me to say that the notion of transubstantiation is so ridiculous that even a small child should be able to see the insanity and utter physical impossibility of a piece of bread and some wine somehow taking on corporeal form. It would be a crime for me to say that Islam is a backward desert superstition that has no place in modern, enlightened Europe and it would be a crime to point out that Jewish settlers in Israel who believe they have a God given right to take the land are, frankly, mad. All the above assertions will, no doubt, offend someone or other.”</p>
<p>24. <strong>Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor</strong>, 2009: “Whether a person is atheist or any other, there is in fact in my view something not totally human if they leave out the transcendent… we call it God… I think that if you leave that out you are not fully human.” Because atheism is not a religion, the Irish blasphemy law does not protect atheists from abusive and insulting statements about their fundamental beliefs. While atheists are not seeking such protection, we include the statement here to point out that it is discriminatory that this law does not hold all citizens equal.</p>
<p>25. <strong>Dermot Ahern</strong>, Irish Minister for Justice, introducing his blasphemy law at an Oireachtas Justice Committee meeting, 2009, and referring to comments made about him personally: “They are blasphemous.” Deputy Pat Rabbitte replied: “Given the Minister’s self-image, it could very well be that we are blaspheming,” and Minister Ahern replied: “Deputy Rabbitte says that I am close to the baby Jesus, I am so pure.” So here we have an Irish Justice Minister joking about himself being blasphemed, at a parliamentary Justice Committee discussing his own blasphemy law, that could make his own jokes illegal.</p>
<p>Finally, as a bonus, <strong>Micheal Martin</strong>, Irish Minister for Foreign Affairs, opposing attempts by Islamic States to make defamation of religion a crime at UN level, 2009: “We believe that the concept of defamation of religion is not consistent with the promotion and protection of human rights. It can be used to justify arbitrary limitations on, or the denial of, freedom of expression. Indeed, Ireland considers that freedom of expression is a key and inherent element in the manifestation of freedom of thought and conscience and as such is complementary to freedom of religion or belief.” Just months after Minister Martin made this comment, his colleague Dermot Ahern introduced Ireland’s new blasphemy law.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently, the Morgantown Atheists hosted a satirical night of (re)Conversion where our Brights friend Rachel tried all the arguments she could think of to convince us to turn back to god. No one took her up on her offer. But she did go through a bunch of classical arguments that I thought I might share [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_6743756.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2422" title="reason is the enemy of faith" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_6743756.jpg" alt="" width="320" height="286" /></a>Recently, the Morgantown Atheists hosted a satirical night of (re)<a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/2009/12/07/december-6-meeting-the-great-conversion/" target="_blank">Conversion</a> where our Brights friend Rachel tried all the arguments she could think of to convince us to turn back to god. No one took her up on her offer. But she did go through a bunch of classical arguments that I thought I might share with you. It&#8217;s good to hear what people use as excuses for believing in god, and it&#8217;s good to have sound arguments against those beliefs.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start out with the Teleological Argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology" target="_blank">Teleology</a>: the philosophical study of design and purpose. The supposition that there is purpose or direction in the works and processes of nature.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument" target="_blank">Teleological Argument</a>: the Argument from Design: argues for the existence of god or a creator based on perceived evidence of order, purpose, design or direction in nature.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the basic argument:</p>
<ul>
<li>The universe is too complex, orderly, adaptive, apparently purposeful or beautiful to have occurred randomly or accidentally.</li>
<li>Therefore the universe must have been created by a sentient, intelligent, wise or purposeful being.</li>
<li>god is a sentient, intelligent, wise or purposeful being.</li>
<li>Therefore god exists.</li>
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<p>You can substitute just about anything in for the universe. The eye, humans, the fundamental constants of the universe, etc.</p>
<p>Many great men have used this argument over the centuries, but that doesn&#8217;t make it valid. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and Cicero to name a few. Cicero started the Watchmaker Analogy:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;When you see a sundial or a water-clock, you see that it tells the time by design and not by chance. How then can you imagine that the universe as a whole is devoid of purpose and intelligence, when it embraces everything, including these artifacts themselves and their artificers?&#8221; (Cicero, De Natura Deorum, ii. 34)<span id="more-2420"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Even Charles Darwin found the Watchmaker Analogy compelling, which he got from William Paley who wrote about it in his book titled Natural Theology in 1802. But his theory of evolution was an alternative explanation for the complexity of nature. In his autobiography, Darwin wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>Although I did not think much about the existence of a personal God until a considerably later period of my life, I will here give the vague conclusions to which I have been driven. The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings and in the action of natural selection, than in the course which the wind blows. Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws. (Charles Darwin&#8217;s <a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&amp;itemID=F1497&amp;keywords=in+argument+old+nature+design+of&amp;pageseq=89" target="_blank">Autobiography</a>, page 87)</p></blockquote>
<p>And of course, proponents of intelligent design find this idea compelling. They make up complicated sounding concepts like irreducible complexity (variation of the watchmaker analogy where you can&#8217;t have half an eye, you need it fully developed for it to be effective, etc) and other such nonsense.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2423" title="funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten.jpg" alt="" width="432" height="258" /></a>Just Because It&#8217;s Complex Does Not Imply A Designer</strong></p>
<p>There are systems in nature that are non-random or orderly simply because they follow natural physical processes. Diamonds and snowflakes are examples.</p>
<p>Just because it&#8217;s not understood (argument from ignorance) doesn&#8217;t mean god did it. In many cases its simply the ignorance of the person arguing that god did it. For instance, the eye is seen in many different stages of evolution throughout the animal kingdom today and throughout natural history. All are relevant, all show irreducible complexity to be completely nonsensical.</p>
<p>Listen to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" target="_blank">Richard Dawkins</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson" target="_blank">Neil deGrasse Tyson</a> and you&#8217;ll start to see the unsoundness of such arguments. In fact, Dr. Tyson did a 6 minute video about &#8220;bad design&#8221; which you can find here: <a href="../2009/09/19/by-god-hes-a-bad-designer/">By god He&#8217;s a Bad Designer</a>. This is an interesting angle. If everything was designed by god, why are there so many screwy ways that nature does things? Why are there so many bad designs, like eating and breathing out of the same hole?</p>
<p>Evolution, as Darwin laid out and science has refined, is a better explanation with more supporting evidence than intelligent design could ever hope to be.</p>
<p><strong>Does Not Prove The Existence Of God</strong></p>
<p>Even if, by some twisted perversity everything is designed by a god, it doesn&#8217;t mean that it is the one god that the christians, jews or muslims follow. It doesn&#8217;t mean, by that logic that there is just one god at all, or that the designer(s) are omnipotent, benevolent, or even interested in earth.</p>
<p>Voltaire and David Hume came up with those ideas.</p>
<p><strong>If Everything is Designed, Who Designed the Designer?</strong></p>
<p>Or as Richard Dawkins suggests, the teleological argument would apply to the designer in question. So that designer would have to be at least as complex and purposeful as the designed objects. You would need many designers, all even more complex than the previous, to design the designers.</p>
<p>Some say that god is outside of the natural laws of the universe, so that he doesn&#8217;t need a designer. But this is nonsensical. If he was outside of nature, he would be unable to interact with nature. If you moved the goalposts again to say that he could magically mess with nature even though he is outside of the laws of nature, wouldn&#8217;t there be some trace of nature being messed with each time? (Just a thought.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no philosopher. I&#8217;m just trying to simply explain this theological argument that we all come across in our travels. Feel free to add to my explanations, give examples, and show counter arguments to help us all understand some of these philosophical concepts.</p>

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