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		<title>Why Do Christians Hate The ACLU?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ACLU.jpg" alt="ACLU" title="ACLU" width="488" height="320" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2269" />Because I&#8217;m sure many just see it as a title, or an acronym, and recall their mention in the news involving lawsuits, lets start by answering a basic: What is the ACLU?</p>
<p><strong>American Civil Liberties Union</strong> was founded in 1920 by Crystal Eastman, Roger Baldwin and Walter Nelles. It was founded to assist in defending the rights of citizens as granted by the United States Constitution. At the time, the three biggest concerns were freedom of speech (for anti-war protesters), civil rights for blacks (and other minority races), and equal rights for women. On their site, the ACLU proclaims themselves as a &#8220;guardian of liberty, working [...] to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the group who has time-and-time again gone to bat for the &#8216;little guy&#8217; to insure their Constitutional [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ACLU.jpg" alt="ACLU" title="ACLU" width="488" height="320" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2269" />Because I&#8217;m sure many just see it as a title, or an acronym, and recall their mention in the news involving lawsuits, lets start by answering a basic: What is the ACLU?</p>
<p><strong>American Civil Liberties Union</strong> was founded in 1920 by Crystal Eastman, Roger Baldwin and Walter Nelles. It was founded to assist in defending the rights of citizens as granted by the United States Constitution. At the time, the three biggest concerns were freedom of speech (for anti-war protesters), civil rights for blacks (and other minority races), and equal rights for women. On their site, the ACLU proclaims themselves as a &#8220;guardian of liberty, working [...] to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the group who has time-and-time again gone to bat for the &#8216;little guy&#8217; to insure their Constitutional rights as a citizen and a human are upheld. The Christian&#8217;s very doctrine urges them to help the weak, the sick, the poor, the unfortunate, <em>the &#8216;little guy&#8217;</em>. So why do so many Christians harbor such vitriol and hate towards the ACLU?<span id="more-2263"></span></p>
<p>Personally, I think it boils down to two things:
<ol>
<li>Christian <em>think</em> they are under attack; so they <em>look for</em> that attacker in every action.</li>
<li>It is a common human reaction to fear the unknown; and Christians fail to understand, even refuse to understand what the ACLU represents.</li>
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<p>As for the attacks, Christians have read stories and prophesies in the bible about Christians being persecuted; and so they look for persecution and attack everywhere. They seek to self-fulfill prophesy; and they see a potential persecutor in anyone who does not have the same life philosophies as they do. Their need to see these prophesies fulfilled goes so far that they even see persecution from other branches of Christianity. I see no universal way to combat this, especially on a large scale; so I simply look for those opportunities to help an individual <em>see the light</em>.</p>
<p>Ignorance and lack of knowledge can by combated though. I think the root of this ignorance lies in lack of understand of the principle of Separation of Church and state. So many Christians strive to tear down that wall of separation, without a clue to how that wall protects them and their ability to practice their flavor of Christianity as they see fit.</p>
<p>The ACLU has done some great work defending civil liberties and the rights we are given by our Constitution; but all Christians seem to notice today is their involvement with lawsuits that relate to religion (and of that they are really only noticing one side). And without knowing an ounce of the facts, jump to the assumption that the lawsuits are an attack <em>against</em> Christians. Never once stopping to realize that in many of these cases the ACLU is actually defending the &#8216;little guy&#8217; <em>from</em> Christianity.</p>
<p>Even when the ACLU is defending the &#8216;little guy&#8217; <em>from</em> Christians, the ACLU is not <em>against</em> Christianity. The majority of their staff and membership are Christians; and they have repeatedly defended Christians when the rights of those Christians were not being upheld. One of the most recent examples, pentecostal minister Howard Thompson Jr. used to preach during worship services at the New Jersey State Prison, until a few years ago when prison officials stopped him. Multiple religious and Christian defense groups stood by and did nothing; it was the ACLU who went to bat for Mr. Thompson&#8217;s rights, and it was <a href="http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/pentecostalministercannowp.htm" target="_blank">the ACLU who won the case for him</a>.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the only case that the ACLU has gone to bat for a Christian; <a href="http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/" target="_blank">here is a list</a> of some of the more prominent cases where <strong>the ACLU defended the right of a Christian to speak as a Christian or to practice Christianity</strong>. Yet few Christians seem to realize this; most Christians have bought into the conservative media&#8217;s constant claim that the ACLU is out to bring down Christianity.</p>
<p><strong>The ACLU fights <em>for</em> INDIVIDUAL free exercise of religion</strong> (just as the Constitution specifies). <strong>The ACLU also fights <em>against</em> GOVERNMENT endorsement, sponsorship, or establishment of religion</strong> (again just as the Constitution specifies).</p>
<p>Now to the heart of what brought on this rant. Someone sent me this email not long ago <em>(warning: obnoxious chain email incoming)</em>:<br />
<blockquote><font size=1>Pass this on to your church, co-workers, family, and friends. What do you have to lose but 44 cents, what do you have to gain? More than you will ever know!</p>
<p>What a clever idea! </p>
<p>Yes, Christmas cards! This is coming early so that you can get ready to include an important address to your list. </p>
<p>Want to have some fun this CHRISTMAS? Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year.</p>
<p>As they are working so very hard to get rid of the CHRISTMAS part of this holiday, we should all send them a nice, CHRISTIAN card to brighten up their dark, sad, little world. </p>
<p>Make sure it says &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; on it. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the address, just don&#8217;t be rude or crude (it&#8217;s not the Christian way, you know):<br />
ACLU<br />
125 Broad Street<br />
18th Floor<br />
New York, NY 10004 </p>
<p>Two tons of Christmas cards would freeze their operations because they wouldn&#8217;t know if any were regular mail containing contributions. So spend 44 cents and tell the ACLU to leave Christmas alone. Also tell them that there is no such thing as a &#8221; Holiday Tree&#8221;! It&#8217;s always been called a CHRISTMAS TREE!</p>
<p>Please pass this on to your email lists. We really want to communicate with the ACLU! They really DESERVE us!!</p>
<p>For those of you who aren&#8217;t aware of them, the ACLU, (the American Civil Liberties Union) is the one suing the U.S. Government to take God, Christmas or anything Christian away from us. They represent the atheists and others in this war.</p>
<p>Help put Christ back in Christmas!</font></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve already addressed most of the subtle hate and lies from this email; so I&#8217;ll let the Executive Director of the ACLU of Texas respond:<br />
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<p>And just in case you need further fodder to throw at this spiteful and inaccurate email, <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/aclucards.asp">Snopes has an article on it</a>. In it they point out that some businesses replacing &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; with &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; or &#8220;Seasons Greetings&#8221; was NOT done under litigation or threat from the ACLU; but instead did so (proactively) to appeal to a broader customer base. They also point out the logically laughable idea of overwhelming the ACLU office with Christmas cards.</p>
<p>If you receive, or previously received the above letter, I encourage you to reply with a link to the above video. Whichever holiday you and yours celebrate, I wish you well and hope its enjoyable.</p>
<p><center><font size=4><strong>Happy Whatever Holiday You&#8217;re Weirdly Touchy About!</strong></font></center></p>
<p><font size=1><em>Sources: <a href="http://www.aclu.org/" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/aclucards.asp" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_court_cases_involving_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/pentecostalministercannowp.htm" target="_blank">here</a>,<a href="http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/xmascard.asp" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86zolIvusC8" target="_blank">here</a>.</em></font></p>

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		<title>Conversation with Anne About The Meaning Of Life</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The other day <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/12/17/conversation-with-anne-about-religion-truth-science-and-history/">I wrote to Anne</a> in response to some questions she emailed me. She replied not long after in another email. Here is an excerpt (I&#8217;ve removed the more private information): (Note: I&#8217;ve added some happy puppies playing in the snow since this topic can be rather serious, and we are having the biggest snow in WV that I&#8217;ve seen since we moved here 5 years ago)<a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/animals_125_42-P.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2374" title="animals_125_42-P" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/animals_125_42-P-385x450.jpg" alt="animals_125_42-P" width="296" height="346" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you for answering my email. I am only 21 and it seams that I am searching for myself and what it is that I can believe. I see how people lie on a daily basis to make the even more entertaining than the event really was so I find it hard to believe anything that is told to me. Giving this way of living I find it tremendously hard to base my life and way of living [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/12/17/conversation-with-anne-about-religion-truth-science-and-history/">I wrote to Anne</a> in response to some questions she emailed me. She replied not long after in another email. Here is an excerpt (I&#8217;ve removed the more private information): (Note: I&#8217;ve added some happy puppies playing in the snow since this topic can be rather serious, and we are having the biggest snow in WV that I&#8217;ve seen since we moved here 5 years ago)<a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/animals_125_42-P.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2374" title="animals_125_42-P" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/animals_125_42-P-385x450.jpg" alt="animals_125_42-P" width="296" height="346" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you for answering my email. I am only 21 and it seams that I am searching for myself and what it is that I can believe. I see how people lie on a daily basis to make the even more entertaining than the event really was so I find it hard to believe anything that is told to me. Giving this way of living I find it tremendously hard to base my life and way of living around things that have been written in a book (the bible) that has been translated umpteen different times before coming to english.  The thought that people let their lives revolve around something that was written 2000 years ago just amazes me. As humans are we so daft to do such a thing? The more I look into religion the more I am amazed at the living situations of some people in this world.</p>
<p>My dad did not express any beliefs of god when I was young because he is like me a firm non-believer until there is hard core facts to show him.  He wanted me to believe what I wanted and didn’t want his opinions to influence me so he felt it best not to tell me anything. My mother&#8230; well she didn’t teach me anything about god or religion until I was 12 we went to church for the first time. She stuck me in Sunday school before a service.  Now my father’s mother was catholic. She went twice on Sunday and Wednesday night. I stayed the night with her several times and went to church with her I believe when I was 7. That was enough religion for me. I still remember sitting in the pew looking around saying to myself &#8220;are these people really this crazy?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>I went to public schools in Indiana. I went to ten different schools before 9th grade so needless to say I was not well adjusted. I never really had any foundation so to say.</p>
<p>I have two children and I want to be able to educate them on religion and allow them to choose their own way.  I don’t see the point in trying to force them to do things my way because they need to find out who they are maybe then they won’t have the same struggles that I do.</p>
<p>To answer your question no I was never taught the prevailing theories of how the earth was formed through natural cosmic events. As I said we moved a lot and the curriculum was different at each school there were several things I missed out on. That is why I am so ignorant on religion because I was never taught the scientific end of the world.</p>
<p>I don’t feel that I &#8220;NEED&#8221; a religion. I would just like to know a little more about why I am here on this earth.  I feel there is a purpose for everything because it just doesn’t seam like we exist just to exist.  There is some sort of purpose behind our being.  So now my job is to find the why.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for this information!! You are right I will have many more questions for you.  I want to look over the information you have given me and I want to do some additional research. (Internet based because I now live in the middle of BFE so no museums in my area and the library has a limited amount of books. Besides the fact, I am in the middle of the Bible belt so there will be virtually no literature supporting the thought that there could be an existence not provided by god.)</p></blockquote>
<p><em>And here is my new reply:<span id="more-2373"></span></em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/206d6aee-337f-4b0f-aba2-c095e58c848d.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2375" title="206d6aee-337f-4b0f-aba2-c095e58c848d" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/206d6aee-337f-4b0f-aba2-c095e58c848d-450x412.jpg" alt="206d6aee-337f-4b0f-aba2-c095e58c848d" width="349" height="319" /></a>Thanks for answering my questions. Yes, please research for yourself. The internet opens the whole wide world of information up to you, even in the middle of BFE. I live in a small town that is quite heavily populated with churches and one sad library. There is one small set of shelves for the science section in there. It&#8217;s pathetic. I do almost all of my research online, too.</p>
<p>I was thinking about you today and found something that you might enjoy: a set of 5 videos for young and old alike by professor Richard Dawkins. He is an evolutionary biologist. It&#8217;s 5 lectures he is giving to children in England but I just watched the first two and really enjoyed them and learned little bits and pieces of information I didn&#8217;t know before. He talks and then demonstrates what he says in ways that are easy to understand. But trust me, he doesn&#8217;t talk down to anyone. He is quite interesting and has a great passion for life and how we got here and what our place in the world is.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/growingupintheuniverse" target="_blank">a link to his website</a> with all 5 videos. They are an hour each, I think.</p>
<p>Finding meaning and purpose in your life is not the same as looking for something to believe in. Perhaps you&#8217;re using the term differently than I am. Perhaps what you mean is that the two things are the same. Let&#8217;s look at the definitions to clarify.</p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/belief" target="_blank">belief</a>: 1. something believed; an opinion or conviction; 2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof; 3. confidence; faith; trust; 4. a religious tenet or tenets</p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purpose" target="_blank">purpose</a>: 1. the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc.; 2. an intended or desired result; end; aim; goal.</p>
<p><a href=" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/meaning" target="_blank">meaning</a>: 2. the end, purpose, or significance of something</p>
<p>So a belief is a conviction that doesn&#8217;t have proof to back it up, which means it&#8217;s similar to faith.</p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith" target="_blank">faith</a>: 2. belief that is not based on proof</p>
<p>You said you want to know why you are here on earth and that you feel there is a purpose for everything. Why do you feel this way? Is it because it gives you comfort? Just because you want to believe there is a deeper meaning to the universe doesn&#8217;t make it so. There is no evidence that there is any validity to that kind of thinking.</p>
<p>Let me put it this way. You say you feel there is a reason you are here on this earth. This leads to <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/logical-fallacies/">fallacious thinking</a> where every little thing that goes right in your life affirms this false belief. Of course this is <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/08/27/logical-fallacy-8-cherry-picking/">cherry-picking</a> because you ignore all the things that happen in your life that are completely meaningless or downright negative. This leads you to think you (and the human race) are special, that we have some magical purpose because you have ignored the whole of reality to focus only on what you feel and what confirms what you want to believe to begin with.</p>
<p>The human mind is amazing and awesome, but it does take shortcuts and can easily be misled and make wrong conclusions. It&#8217;s very easy to cherry-pick and remember only what feels right or what seems special. This is dangerous and will lead you down a path of lies and myths in trying to believe in and confirm something that has no basis in reality.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s normal to ponder why were are here and what it all means. We have consciousness and an amazingly complex brain that can handle complicated concepts like the number 0 and the number 1 for example.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2241901010_38270c5163.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2376" title="2241901010_38270c5163" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2241901010_38270c5163-450x300.jpg" alt="2241901010_38270c5163" width="380" height="253" /></a>I also think this is one of the toughest issues an atheist deals with. If there is no god then what is the reason for existing? What is our purpose in life?</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s pretty simple. There is no purpose for everyone. You make your own purpose. You have to find your own meaning. I think some universal ideas would be to always keep learning, and do your best and be a good person. What is the meaning of life? There isn&#8217;t any one meaning. It&#8217;s what you find important. Try to find your own happiness and do as little damage to others as possible along the way.</p>
<p>Since you have children, nothing is more important in this part of your life than raising them to the best of your ability. Raising them free of dogma, with honesty, with a the ability to ask questions and think for themselves is the best thing you can do for them.</p>
<p>I know that thinking there is some cosmic force for good out there is really appealing, but there&#8217;s no evidence for such a thing. While it&#8217;s nice to chalk up good things to such a force, there are an awful lot of bad things &#8211; no natural justice, natural disasters, birth defects, etc &#8211; that make that seem pretty silly.</p>
<p>Basically you are here on this earth because life moves inexorably on. Within life, the need to procreate is part of evolution and natural selection. Again I recommend the videos by Dawkins that I linked to above. They will really give you an idea of evolution which will help you to see that we evolved naturally, and will continue to evolve unless we destroy ourselves and the planet by being careless, short-sighted and selfish.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2269579152_23c00007ff.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2377" title="2269579152_23c00007ff" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2269579152_23c00007ff-450x299.jpg" alt="2269579152_23c00007ff" width="413" height="274" /></a>Instead of searching for why you are here, make the most of your one precious life. Raise your children to the very best of your ability, be good to yourself and others, learn as much as you can. Make your own meaning and purpose with what you have.</p>
<p>Sometimes thinking for yourself, being free of religious dogma, reminds us of our grown-up responsibilities that religion masks. Thinking about such topics are part of being truly grown-up in this life. It might not be fun when you first encounter the new ideas, but reality is always preferable to fairy tales and lies. Give it a few days. Learn as much as you can about evolution and you&#8217;ll see. Truth and reality are magnificent and beautiful.</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/23/what-are-you-doing-november-19/" title="What Are You Doing November 19? (September 23, 2009)">What Are You Doing November 19?</a> (10)</li>
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		<title>Happy Thanksgiving Everyone</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128238941018561338_1096b54a-51e3-4e.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2275" title="o i dare u!" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128238941018561338_1096b54a-51e3-4e-450x299.jpg" alt="o i dare u!" width="355" height="237" /></a>All day long I&#8217;ve been thinking about you. I wanted to write a nice post for you for Thanksgiving. Unfortunately I am feeling a bit frustrated and unable to focus on anything.</p>
<p>So, I thought I&#8217;d use this space to share some Lolcat love and also what I&#8217;m thankful for.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;m really grateful for is you, the people who read my thoughts and musings. It means a lot to me, so thanks!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really grateful to science and scientists who have done such amazing work over the ages to observe and research the world around us. I am especially grateful to the science of medicines that make my life better, like allergy relievers, eye drops, ibuprofen and acetaminophen, acid reducers, just to name a few. Also hand cream makes my life better too. And eyeglasses, thanks Ben Franklin (&#8230;oh, he invented bifocals. Well, thanks to Ben Franklin [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128238941018561338_1096b54a-51e3-4e.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2275" title="o i dare u!" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/128238941018561338_1096b54a-51e3-4e-450x299.jpg" alt="o i dare u!" width="355" height="237" /></a>All day long I&#8217;ve been thinking about you. I wanted to write a nice post for you for Thanksgiving. Unfortunately I am feeling a bit frustrated and unable to focus on anything.</p>
<p>So, I thought I&#8217;d use this space to share some Lolcat love and also what I&#8217;m thankful for.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;m really grateful for is you, the people who read my thoughts and musings. It means a lot to me, so thanks!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really grateful to science and scientists who have done such amazing work over the ages to observe and research the world around us. I am especially grateful to the science of medicines that make my life better, like allergy relievers, eye drops, ibuprofen and acetaminophen, acid reducers, just to name a few. Also hand cream makes my life better too. And eyeglasses, thanks Ben Franklin (&#8230;oh, he invented bifocals. Well, thanks to Ben Franklin anyway. He&#8217;s a founding father. But thanks to whoever invented eyeglasses!)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny-pictures-cat-sees-pumpkin-brains.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2278" title="funny-pictures-cat-sees-pumpkin-brains" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny-pictures-cat-sees-pumpkin-brains-367x450.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-cat-sees-pumpkin-brains" width="196" height="239" /></a>Thanks to Tempur Pedic, and big TV&#8217;s, the inventor of the personal computer and the internet. Thanks to whoever came up with ergonomic stuff like keyboards and trackballs, and comfy office chairs! And dual monitors, too. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks to my awesome longsuffering husband Butch, who lets me do basically whatever I like (don&#8217;t worry, he gets treated well in return!) and who loves me and makes me happy everyday, and to my awesome dogs that drive me crazy. I love my little family!</p>
<p>Thanks to my awesome friends and the people that are or have become like family to me. You know who you are. I love you.</p>
<p>Thanks to our founding fathers for the Bill of Rights, and making sure we had freedom of religion, and from religion in there, as well as freedom of speech, and the right to bear arms.</p>
<p>Thank you so much to the all rats and bonobos and monkeys and chimps and e. coli that die in the name of science every day. Thanks for research (oh, yeah.. see above.. obviously I really love science!)</p>
<p><span id="more-2274"></span><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fortehlasttim128643271704509399.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2276 alignright" title="for teh last time, iz festivly plump!" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fortehlasttim128643271704509399-450x337.jpg" alt="for teh last time, iz festivly plump!" width="339" height="253" /></a>Thanks for online research, from Google and Wikipedia to WolframAlpha and beyond. And for online shopping!</p>
<p>Thanks to the great people at my favorite podcasts for keeping me company and teaching me awesome stuff: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a>, <a href="http://doubtreligion.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Reasonable Doubts</a>, <a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/" target="_blank">The Naked Scientists</a> and also to <a href="http://www.mrdeity.com/" target="_blank">Mr. Deity</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent" target="_blank">Edward Current</a> and <a href="http://www.rickygervais.com/index.php" target="_blank">Ricky Gervais</a>. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for delicious food. (But please keep working on making food that tastes good, is good for me AND doesn&#8217;t make me fat or give me acid reflux! kthnx!)</p>
<p>Thank you baby Jesus.. haha.. just kidding!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/FILE3767-2.JPG"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2277 alignleft" title="cat decorates the tree" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/FILE3767-2-450x333.jpg" alt="cat decorates the tree" width="367" height="271" /></a>Ok, that&#8217;s a good start. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s much more, but you get the idea. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks again to you for reading. I really love your comments too. It makes my day!</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving!</p>

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		<title>Atheists, It&#8217;s Time to Stand Up to Jesus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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<blockquote><p>By <a title="View all stories by Russell Blackford" href="http://www.alternet.org/authors/11147/" target="_blank">Russell Blackford</a> and <a title="View all stories by Udo Schuklenk" href="http://www.alternet.org/authors/11148/" target="_blank">Udo Schuklenk</a>, <a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/index.html" target="_blank">Comment Is Free</a>.</p>
<p>Civility has its uses, but atheists should not be afraid to mock faith to undermine religious power.<span id="more-2248"></span></p>
<p>Religious teachings promise us much — eternal life, spiritual salvation, moral direction, and a deeper understanding of reality. It all sounds good, but these teachings are also onerous in their demands. If they can&#8217;t deliver on what they promise, it would be well to clear that up. Put bluntly, are the teachings of any <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/religion" target="_blank">religion</a> actually true or not? Do they have any rational support? It&#8217;s hard to see what questions could be more important.</p>
<p>Surely the claims of religion — of all religions — merit scrutiny from every angle, whether historical, philosophical, scientific, or any other.<br />
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<blockquote><p>By <a title="View all stories by Russell Blackford" href="http://www.alternet.org/authors/11147/" target="_blank">Russell Blackford</a> and <a title="View all stories by Udo Schuklenk" href="http://www.alternet.org/authors/11148/" target="_blank">Udo Schuklenk</a>, <a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/index.html" target="_blank">Comment Is Free</a>.</p>
<p>Civility has its uses, but atheists should not be afraid to mock faith to undermine religious power.<span id="more-2248"></span></p>
<p>Religious teachings promise us much — eternal life, spiritual salvation, moral direction, and a deeper understanding of reality. It all sounds good, but these teachings are also onerous in their demands. If they can&#8217;t deliver on what they promise, it would be well to clear that up. Put bluntly, are the teachings of any <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/religion" target="_blank">religion</a> actually true or not? Do they have any rational support? It&#8217;s hard to see what questions could be more important.</p>
<p>Surely the claims of religion — of all religions — merit scrutiny from every angle, whether historical, philosophical, scientific, or any other.<br />
Contrary to many expectations in the 1970s, or even the 1990s, religion has not faded away, even in the Western democracies, and we still see intense activism from religious lobbies. Even now, one religion or another opposes abortion rights, most contraceptive technologies, and therapeutic cloning research. Various churches and sects condemn many harmless, pleasurable sexual activities that adults can reasonably enjoy.</p>
<p>As a result, these are frowned upon, if not prohibited outright, in many parts of the world, indeed people lose their lives because of them. Most religious organisations reject dying patients&#8217; requests to end their lives as they see fit. Even in relatively secular countries, such as the UK, Canada, and Australia, governments pander blatantly to Christian moral concerns as the protection of religiously motivated <a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/332/7536/294?ijkey=6NtRebQvp8GVGYn&amp;keytype=ref%20" target="_blank">refusals to provide medical professional services</a> demonstrates.</p>
<p>In a different world, the merits, or otherwise, of religious teachings might be discussed more dispassionately. In that world, some of us who criticise religion itself might be content to argue that the church (and the mosque, and all the other religious architecture that sprouts across the landscape) should be kept separate from the state. Unfortunately, however, we don&#8217;t live in that world.<br />
When religion claims authority in the political sphere, it is unsurprising — and totally justifiable — that atheists and skeptics question the source of this authority. If religious organisations or their leaders claim to speak on behalf of a god, it is fair to ask whether the god concerned really makes the claims that are communicated on its behalf. Does this god even exist? Where is the evidence? And even if this being does exist, why, exactly, should its wishes be translated into law?</p>
<p>In many situations, <a href="http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/a_disssenting_view_about_blashphemy_day/" target="_blank">it is better to be civil</a>, as Paul Kurtz has pointed out, but satire and  mockery have traditionally had a legitimate place whenever absurd ideas are joined to power and privilege. Enlightenment thinkers such as <a href="http://www.literature.org/authors/voltaire/candide/" target="_blank">Voltaire often used mockery</a> to show the absurdity of  ideological stances — including religious ones — that were considered sacrosanct. Mockery is one way of saying that a view does not deserve to be taken seriously. Religious views are fair game if one can also show, on a more serious level, why the view in question does indeed not deserve serious respect.</p>
<p>Perhaps some rationalist or humanist organisations, such as Kurtz&#8217;s venerable <a href="http://www.centerforinquiry.net/" target="_blank">Center for Inquiry</a>, do have good reason to maintain a scholarly and dignified brand image. But there is also room for the younger, brasher atheists whom Kurtz inaccurately brands as &#8220;fundamentalists&#8221;, and, in any event, there is a world of difference between appropriate civility and keeping quiet.</p>
<p>In the US, unfortunately, some atheists appear to have concluded that even civil and thoughtful criticism of supposedly &#8220;moderate&#8221; religion (i.e., almost anything that does not dispute evolutionary theory) should be discouraged.</p>
<p>These &#8220;accommodationist&#8221; atheists tend to be focused on science advocacy, particularly the teaching of evolution in public schools. In seeking public support for their positions, they think it prudent to take the various American demographics as they are. Since they want to sell evolutionary science to very large numbers of pious Americans, the last thing they want is to see it linked with <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/atheism" target="_blank">atheism</a>.<br />
Once you think in that way, from a kind of marketing perspective, it can take over your approach to what you think you ought to say. Sincerity goes out the window, and everything must be &#8220;framed&#8221; to please the audience. We doubt that this strategy can work.</p>
<p>Religion cannot be eradicated — that is not a realistic goal — but the many problems with religious dogma can and should be highlighted. As atheists, we should state clearly that no religion has any rational warrant, and that many churches and sects promote <a href="http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2008/02/jamaican-church.html target=">cruelty</a>, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7947460.stm" target="_blank">ignorance</a>, and <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120649269618764219.html" target="_blank">civil rights abuses</a>.</p>
<p>There are harmful consequences to real people in the real world if the views of churches and sects are enshrined in law or given undue social deference &#8211; the acceptance even in liberal secular societies of conscientious objection as a legitimate reason for health care professionals and <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7499248.stm" target="_blank">even civil servants</a> to refuse to provide professional services to certain citizens is a case in point. For these reasons it is important that we should <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1405190469?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zenswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1405190469">speak out</a><img class=" kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj kiaedrilcwiyulljxajj" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=zenswor-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1405190469" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /> and publicly contest the special authority that is accorded, all too often, to pontiffs, imams, priests, and presbyters. Religious leaders are not our moral leaders, much as they clamour to be, and however much the politicians flatter them. These spiritual emperors have no clothes, and we shouldn&#8217;t flinch from saying so.</p>
<p>Found at <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/143820/atheists%2C_it's_time_to_stand_up_to_jesus?page=entire" target="_blank">AlterNet</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks to Bill for sending this to my <a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/" target="_blank">Morgantown Atheists</a> group. While I&#8217;ve been guilty of being overly accommodating regarding religion, I find myself agreeing with this argument. Sure, there&#8217;s a place and time for civility, but in general, I think this article, and my awesome husband Butch, are right. Religion should be heartily mocked for its unfulfilled, ridiculous promises and stories that people eat up like candy.</p>

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<p>I&#8217;m seeing this video being repeatedly posted on Facebook as it chains its way though the theist world. From what I&#8217;ve gathered from the YouTube mirroring, this is a TV commercial running in the Republic of Macedonia. The campaign is apparently something like &#8220;<b>Knowledge Is Power.</b>&#8221; And this part of the campaign is apparently sub-headlined &#8220;<b>Religion is knowledge, too. Bringing religion back to school.</b>&#8220;<span id="more-2093"></span></p>
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<p>On several Facebook posts by friends or family, I&#8217;ve pointed out that its not a &#8220;true story&#8221; as claimed. Even pointing out the <a href="http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp" target="_blank">Snopes</a> article which says that not only did Einstein not do this, but the whole story is an urban legend. The unanimous response so far has been &#8220;So what? Its a good story; and even if Einstein didn&#8217;t say it, its still the truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>The title and the argument of the commercial don&#8217;t really coincide. The title [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m seeing this video being repeatedly posted on Facebook as it chains its way though the theist world. From what I&#8217;ve gathered from the YouTube mirroring, this is a TV commercial running in the Republic of Macedonia. The campaign is apparently something like &#8220;<b>Knowledge Is Power.</b>&#8221; And this part of the campaign is apparently sub-headlined &#8220;<b>Religion is knowledge, too. Bringing religion back to school.</b>&#8220;<span id="more-2093"></span></p>
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<p>On several Facebook posts by friends or family, I&#8217;ve pointed out that its not a &#8220;true story&#8221; as claimed. Even pointing out the <a href="http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp" target="_blank">Snopes</a> article which says that not only did Einstein not do this, but the whole story is an urban legend. The unanimous response so far has been &#8220;So what? Its a good story; and even if Einstein didn&#8217;t say it, its still the truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>The title and the argument of the commercial don&#8217;t really coincide. The title asks &#8220;does God exist?&#8221; while the argument presented is that &#8220;if God exists, then he is evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with the argument is that it is comparing objective information with subjective information (apples-to-oranges).</p>
<p>Cold may not exist because it is actually the lack of heat; but heat also really does not exist. Heat is the measurement of temperature. Temperature can be measured with scientific instruments to precise specifics. Multiple scientists from varying cultures with different instruments would measure the same temperature. Darkness actually being a lack of light, but still describing something that is scientifically measureable. Again even with variations in equipment, personnel, and their personal experiences, scientists would reach the same conclusion when measuring the same thing. Thus, they are objective.</p>
<p>Evil, being described as the absence of good is very subjective. Two people raised in different parts of the same state would classify the same deed at different levels of evil. Expand the potential for difference in &#8216;measuring&#8217; evil (or absence of good) if your sample audience is from completely different cultures or times in history. The &#8216;measure&#8217; of the absence of good is subjective to the era, the country, the nationality, the culture, the personal faith, the personal experience, and the acceptance of society norms for each individual. Thus, this measurement is subjective.</p>
<p>I also think that the dishonesty of the video creator claiming Einstein had this argument with a professor is poor form. And really goes even further to discredit the argument. But when has &#8216;Lying for Jesus&#8217; ever been a true ethical struggle for most Christians.</p>
<p>And of course bringing religion into school curriculum is always a bad idea.</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/29/vaccines-in-the-news-again/" title="Vaccines In The News Again (September 29, 2009)">Vaccines In The News Again</a> (25)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/24/the-resurrection-never-happened/" title="The Resurrection Never Happened (July 24, 2009)">The Resurrection Never Happened</a> (19)</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ScaryNeighbor1.jpg" alt="ScaryNeighbor" title="ScaryNeighbor" width="251" height="402" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2075" />The HPV vaccine has <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/29/cervical-cancer-vaccine-hpv" target="_blank">jumped into the news</a> again as the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/28/hpv-cervical-cancer-vaccine-death" target="_blank">UK reports their first death following a vaccination</a>.</p>
<p>The US (and western world in general) has already been struggling with vaccines, and this could make things more difficult in the UK. With all the claims of vaccines linked to autism, <a href="http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html" target="_blank">Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s</a> wild-ass claims, and Muslims stopping the distribution of the polio vaccination &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot of pseudoscience, superstition, and urban legends up against vaccines.</p>
<p>Then there is the religious angle against the HPV vaccine. Because the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpv" target="_blank">human papillomavirus</a> is a sexually transmitted disease, the abstinence-only proponents think giving a girl this vaccine gives her the go-ahead to be promiscuous.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what kind of media attention resurfaces from this; but I can already see the email or Facebook posts flying around again, claiming how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ScaryNeighbor1.jpg" alt="ScaryNeighbor" title="ScaryNeighbor" width="251" height="402" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2075" />The HPV vaccine has <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/29/cervical-cancer-vaccine-hpv" target="_blank">jumped into the news</a> again as the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/28/hpv-cervical-cancer-vaccine-death" target="_blank">UK reports their first death following a vaccination</a>.</p>
<p>The US (and western world in general) has already been struggling with vaccines, and this could make things more difficult in the UK. With all the claims of vaccines linked to autism, <a href="http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html" target="_blank">Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s</a> wild-ass claims, and Muslims stopping the distribution of the polio vaccination &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot of pseudoscience, superstition, and urban legends up against vaccines.</p>
<p>Then there is the religious angle against the HPV vaccine. Because the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpv" target="_blank">human papillomavirus</a> is a sexually transmitted disease, the abstinence-only proponents think giving a girl this vaccine gives her the go-ahead to be promiscuous.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what kind of media attention resurfaces from this; but I can already see the email or Facebook posts flying around again, claiming how bad this vaccine is, and possibly how bad all vaccines are. So in an attempt to arm you with knowledge before you even get that email or see someone post it on Facebook, here are some facts for you to counter with.<br />
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<li>As of 01 June 2009, over <b>25 million</b> doses had been administered in the US. Of those, 14,072 (0.05%) reported side effects; meaning 99.95% were free of side effects.
<li>Of those with side effects, 13,087 (93%) were non-serious (like fainting, pain and swelling at the injection site, headache, nausea, and fever); <b><i>all</i></b> common side effects of <b><i>any</i></b> injection.
<li>Of those with side effects, 985 (7%) were serious, and of them 43 deaths were reported. This means of the <b>25 million</b> vaccinated, 0.00172% died after receiving the vaccination (not necessarily because of the vaccination).
<li>Approximately 20 million Americans are currently infected with HPV, and another 6.2 million people become newly infected each year.
<li>At least 50% of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives.
<li>The American Cancer Society estimates 11,070 women diagnosed with cervical cancer in the U.S. in 2008.
<li>HPV-related cancers (estimates from 2008):
<ul>
<li>3,460 women diagnosed with vulvar cancer
<li>2,210 women diagnosed with vaginal and other female genital cancers
<li>1,250 men diagnosed with penile and other male genital cancers
<li>3,050 women and 2,020 men diagnosed with anal cancer</li>
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<li>According to a 2002 study, approximately 4500 deaths per year in the US, and over 200,000 deaths world wide are results of or linked to a form of cervical cancer.</li>
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<p>In the US the CDC and the FDA continue to recommend the Gardasil vaccination, because it does prevent 4 types of HPV; and because the risk of adverse side effects is very low.</p>
<p>&#8220;As of June 1, 2009, there have been 43 U.S. reports of death among females who have received the vaccine. Twenty six of these reports have been confirmed, 9 are still under investigation, and 8 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. Confirmed reports are those that scientists have followed up on and have verified the claim. <b>In the 26 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>Besides the links above, I also pulled information from <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cervical+cancer" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>What do you think? Any thoughts? Personal stories? Rants?</p>
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		<title>[UPDATED] Thousands of Tax Payer Dollars to Add Engraving to Capitol Visitor Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1589" title="cat_pledge_allegiance" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cat_pledge_allegiance.jpg" alt="cat_pledge_allegiance" width="292" height="320" /><strong>How irresponsible and wasteful!</strong> No matter which side of the political teater-totter you sit on, most of us aren&#8217;t happy with the current financial situation; both in the economy and in the government. I&#8217;m no financial whiz, but I know that right now the government should not be spending thousands (or more likely <em>tens of thousands</em>) of dollars of <strong>tax payer money</strong> to add a few engravings to the United States Capitol Visitor Center (CVC) (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_Visitor_Center" target="_blank">Wikipedia Entry</a> &#124; <a href="http://www.aoc.gov/cvc/" target="_blank">Official Site</a>).</p>
<p>Construction of the CVC started in 2000, and was completed and opened to the public in December 2008. The CVC provides a central hub for tourists visiting the capitol; on average 8000 people visit the capitol per day and you can bet most of them go through the CVC. The CVC is an addition to the United States Capitol and also serves as expansion space [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1589" title="cat_pledge_allegiance" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cat_pledge_allegiance.jpg" alt="cat_pledge_allegiance" width="292" height="320" /><strong>How irresponsible and wasteful!</strong> No matter which side of the political teater-totter you sit on, most of us aren&#8217;t happy with the current financial situation; both in the economy and in the government. I&#8217;m no financial whiz, but I know that right now the government should not be spending thousands (or more likely <em>tens of thousands</em>) of dollars of <strong>tax payer money</strong> to add a few engravings to the United States Capitol Visitor Center (CVC) (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_Visitor_Center" target="_blank">Wikipedia Entry</a> | <a href="http://www.aoc.gov/cvc/" target="_blank">Official Site</a>).</p>
<p>Construction of the CVC started in 2000, and was completed and opened to the public in December 2008. The CVC provides a central hub for tourists visiting the capitol; on average 8000 people visit the capitol per day and you can bet most of them go through the CVC. The CVC is an addition to the United States Capitol and also serves as expansion space for the US Congress.<span id="more-1590"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">Republicans have criticized the center for what they view as insufficient coverage of American religious heritage. Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina said that the CVC fails to &#8220;appropriately honor our religious heritage that has been critical to America&#8217;s success.&#8221; Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has begun a petition seeking to more prominently recognize religion at the Center.</span> <span style="font-size: xx-small;"><em>[<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/12/is_the_capitol_visitor_center.html" target="_blank">SOURCE</a>]</em></span></p></blockquote>
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<p>So California Republican, Congressman <a href="http://lungren.house.gov/" target="_blank">Dan Lungren</a> has picked up the flag of religion, and put forth a resolution that goes against the First Amendment of the Constitution.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">Before the August recess, a resolution will be voted on by the House of Representatives that will require the Architect of the Capitol to engrave the words &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; and the post-1954 Pledge of Allegiance onto the walls of the Capitol Visitor Center (CVC). References to religion and faith are already included in several of the permanent exhibits, and the words &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; are even present in one such exhibit. But that&#8217;s not enough for Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA) who is pushing for a larger, bolder display.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>The resolution is labeled &#8220;H. Con. Res. 131&#8243; and titled &#8220;Directing the Architect of the Capitol to engrave the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag and the National Motto of &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; in the Capitol Visitor Center.&#8221; Summary information can be <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hc111-131" target="_blank">found here</a>; and the full text can be <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hc111-131" target="_blank">found here</a>.</p>
<p>So they are complaining that the CVC does not include the religious heritage (aka: the religious founding) of the United States. Even though several of the exhibits include references to the religion and faith of the United States. Even though the current exhibits creep close to violation of the First Amendment, they want to add the national motto, and the most recent version of the Pledge of Allegiance. Both of which are not part of the founding of the United States; and both of which directly violate the First Amendment.</p>
<p>The Pledge of Allegiance was not even written until 1892, <strong>one-hundred-sixteen years after the founding</strong>. The original version did not include &#8220;under God&#8221; &#8211; that was not added <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22" target="_blank">until 1954</a>, <strong>only fifty-five years ago</strong>. &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; was not made the official motto <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust" target="_blank">until 1956</a>, <strong>fifty-three years ago</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">Building the Capitol Visitor Center (CVC) has already cost American taxpayers millions of dollars and serves as the entrance point for visitors who wish to tour the Capitol. It was built to teach visitors about our nation’s history and the construction of the Capitol Building, not to promote religion. Since it was not until the 1950s that &#8220;under God&#8221; was added to the Pledge and &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; replaced &#8220;E Pluribus Unum&#8221; as the national motto, these phrases should have no place in the Center.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Not only does Rep. Dan Lungren want to further violate the First Amendment with a misconceived view of this country&#8217;s founding; but he wants to spend thousands of our tax dollars to do it.</p>
<p>The Secular Coalition for America has a ready-to-go-letter that you can send to your representative. Let them know you think this is a poor use of tax-payer money, and does not uphold the separation of church and state.</p>
<p><a href="http://action.secular.org/t/5367/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27503" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>TAKE ACTION NOW!</strong></span></a></p>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><strong>UPDATE</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">The House and Senate both passed the resolution.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5htxe4DfXCO-Usm3nLfXgWZmLiYTQD99EEU200" target="_blank"><strong>Lawsuit seeks to block &#8216;In God We Trust&#8217; engraving</strong></a></span><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5htxe4DfXCO-Usm3nLfXgWZmLiYTQD99EEU200" target="_blank"><strong> </strong></a></p>

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