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		<title>Advertisements and Logical Fallacies Part 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2610 alignright" title="funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible-450x284.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="284" /></a>Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking about logical fallacies used in advertising and marketing. The argument from authority when someone in a lab coat tells you what to buy, argumentum ad populum which is &#8220;appeal to the people&#8221; because everyone else is buying this product so you should too.</p>
<p>One of my pet peeves is multigrain labels emblazoned on foods lately. Technically the food has more than one grain in it, but they are touting the product as something healthy when they have still stripped all fiber and goodness out, so the health benefits are still lacking. This is very popular in cereals, and unless you read the label you&#8217;d think you were buying something healthy, when really it&#8217;s just as junky as cocoa puffs.</p>
<p>The &#8220;no sugar added&#8221; label is another one I find quite vague. There are several different iterations of this one. No sugar added, sugar free, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2610 alignright" title="funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-and-bird-are-not-compatible-450x284.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="284" /></a>Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking about logical fallacies used in advertising and marketing. The argument from authority when someone in a lab coat tells you what to buy, argumentum ad populum which is &#8220;appeal to the people&#8221; because everyone else is buying this product so you should too.</p>
<p>One of my pet peeves is multigrain labels emblazoned on foods lately. Technically the food has more than one grain in it, but they are touting the product as something healthy when they have still stripped all fiber and goodness out, so the health benefits are still lacking. This is very popular in cereals, and unless you read the label you&#8217;d think you were buying something healthy, when really it&#8217;s just as junky as cocoa puffs.</p>
<p>The &#8220;no sugar added&#8221; label is another one I find quite vague. There are several different iterations of this one. No sugar added, sugar free, the list goes on. What do they all mean? Again, you have to carefully read the nutrition facts and ingredients to get a better picture of what you&#8217;ll be buying.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s basically the idea that advertisers must follow the letter of the law but not the spirit of it. So for something like Airborne (which I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/09/30/thinking-hard-work/">ranted about before</a>), they can make vague claims that basically say nothing to skirt the issue that there is no science behind their product. Then, to make it worse, they strategically make sure it&#8217;s placed near the pharmacy to appeal to authority. I think in some places they have signs saying that pharmacists recommend Airborne. But really, to make that claim you only have to pay two pharmacists to say what you want to be truthful.</p>
<p>I find it all incredibly frustrating and discouraging. And the only solution is to be aggressively proactive about shopping and watching ads or commercials. Be skeptical!</p>
<p>This is part one of tackling this topic for three reasons.</p>
<ul>
<li>One, I don&#8217;t think we can do it justice in one post.</li>
<li>Two, I really want your feedback. What are your pet peeves in advertising? What examples stand out for you? What logical fallacies do you see in advertising and marketing?</li>
<li>And three, I just got the new parts for my computer and have to build my newer, better, faster computer today (with the help of my geek friend, Gary. Thanks Gary!). <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  This is my birthday present from my sweetie. Thanks, my love! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
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<p>Ok, I&#8217;m off to go fiddle with my new computer parts. Hopefully it all goes well. I look forward to hearing from you about fallacies in advertising! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/logical-fallacies/" title="Logical Fallacies (November 19, 2008)">Logical Fallacies</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/23/what-are-you-doing-november-19/" title="What Are You Doing November 19? (September 23, 2009)">What Are You Doing November 19?</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/05/religulous-were-on-the-road-to-nowhere/" title="Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere (January 5, 2009)">Religulous: We&#8217;re On The Road To Nowhere</a> (3)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/15/logical-fallacy-theater-in-4-acts/" title="Logical Fallacy Theater in 4 Acts (January 15, 2010)">Logical Fallacy Theater in 4 Acts</a> (8)</li>
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		<title>Podcasts and Internet Radio Stations You May Enjoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/?p=2511</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &#38; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2510" title="funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/funny-pictures-dj-cat-makes-a-meow-mix1-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="270" /></a>Want to expand your mind and be entertained at the same time? Here  are a list of podcasts and radio shows you can listen to online or on  your iPod through iTunes. Most of these are scientific/ skeptical in  nature, but I&#8217;ve thrown in 2 religious ones because they are both  excellent.</p>
<p>My Favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>SGU: <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/" target="_blank">The  Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe</a> and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the  same place; SGU 5&#215;5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New  England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi  Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics  from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial  claims from a scientific point of view.</li>
<li>Scientific American&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/podcasts.cfm?id=science-talk" target="_blank">Science Talk</a> (they have other <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/" target="_blank">podcasts   here</a>): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest  developments in science &amp; technology through interviews.</li>
<li><a href="http://doubtreligion.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Reasonable  Doubts</a> (Your Skeptical Guide to Religion): A special focus on  counter-apologetics. They provide detailed counter-points to the  fallacious logic and blatant misinformation used by religious apologists  when attempting to discredit skepticism and provide rational arguments  for their dogmas. They also defend the sufficiency of reason, science  and naturalistic philosophies to provide a satisfactory and morally  compelling understanding of the cosmos, human nature, art and culture.  They try to do this all with fair-mindedness and humor. Winner of the  Peoples Choice Podcast Award for best religious/inspirational podcast of  2009</li>
<li><a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/" target="_blank">The Naked Scientists</a> and another podcast, Ask the  Naked Scientists: The Naked Scientists are a group of physicians and  researchers from Cambridge University who use radio, live lectures, and  the Internet to strip science down to its bare essentials, and promote  it to the general public. Each week, listeners of all ages and  backgrounds tune in on a Sunday evening to hear creator Dr. Chris Smith,  together with his entertaining scientist sidekicks, interview renowned  scientists and researchers from all over the world and take science  questions on any subject live from the listening public.</li>
<li><a href="http://startalkradio.net/" target="_blank">StarTalk</a> with  Neil DeGrasse Tyson: a radio show devoted to all things space and is  hosted by renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.mrdeity.com/" target="_blank">Mr. Deity</a> (video, not podcast, but you can  subscribe through iTunes): a webshow that looks at the every-day life of  the creator and everything he must endure as he attempts to manage his  creation.</li>
</ul>
<p>My friend and fellow science lover Brent sent me a list of his  favorites as well, which is actually what sparked this post:<span id="more-2511"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>The Center for Inquiry&#8217;s <a href="http://pointofinquiry.org/" target="_blank">Point of Inquiry</a>:  Point of Inquiry explores CFI’s three research areas:
<ul>
<li>Pseudoscience and the paranormal (Bigfoot, UFOs, psychics,  communication with the dead, cryptozoology, etc.)</li>
<li>Alternative  medicine (faith healing, homeopathy, “healing touch,”  the efficacy of prayer, etc.)</li>
<li>Religion, humanism, and secularism  (church-state separation, the  effects and proper role of religion in society, the future of secularism  and nonbelief, etc.)<br />
Rotating hosts Chris Mooney, Karen Stollznow, and Robert Price bring  engaging and thought-provoking interviews and commentary on a broad  range of topics to each episode of Point of Inquiry.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>NPR&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/" target="_blank">Science Friday</a>:  A weekly radio talk show on NPR from 2-4pm on Fridays. Each week, they  focus on science topics that are in the news and try to bring an  educated, balanced discussion to bear on the scientific issues at hand.  Panels of expert guests join Science Friday&#8217;s host, Ira Flatow, a  veteran science journalist, to discuss science &#8211; and to take questions  from listeners during the call-in portion of the program.</li>
<li><a href="http://grokscience.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Groks  Science Radio Show and Podcast</a>: a weekly science radio program and  podcast produced in Chicago, USA and Tokyo, Japan. The show broadcasts  on radio stations across the country and can also be heard as a podcast.  Each week, the hosts, Dr. Charles Lee and Dr. Frank Ling, take an  in-depth look at recent events in the world of science and technology,  and examine the effects of recent discoveries on our daily lives.<br />
Each episode features an interview with a leading scientist, researcher,  or industrialist discussing stimulating work in their field. The show  often includes a humorous and entertaining segment; plus the world  famous question of the week!</li>
<li>IEET: <a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/csr" target="_blank">Changesurfer   Radio</a>: a weekly, syndicated public affairs radio show transmitting a  sexy, high-tech vision of a radically democratic future</li>
<li><a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fastforwardradio" target="_blank">Fast   Forward Radio</a>: A convergence of emerging technologies and emerging  possibilities is at the heart of this, the greatest period of  transformation in human history. Our world is changing in ways that are  hard to predict&#8230;sometimes even hard to imagine. FastForward Radio is  your guide to an astounding future that lies ahead &#8212; and that will be  here sooner than you think!</li>
</ul>
<p>Feel free to contribute your favorites!</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/20/dark-chocolate-and-other-tidbits-of-goodness/" title="Dark Chocolate and Other Tidbits of Goodness (November 20, 2009)">Dark Chocolate and Other Tidbits of Goodness</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/09/23/what-are-you-doing-november-19/" title="What Are You Doing November 19? (September 23, 2009)">What Are You Doing November 19?</a> (10)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/10/23/the-fine-art-of-baloney-detection/" title="The Fine Art of Baloney Detection (October 23, 2009)">The Fine Art of Baloney Detection</a> (2)</li>
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		<title>The Secret Divides Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2441" title="funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie-450x252.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="252" /></a>The other day I wrote about a woman named Ruth who emailed me asking for some advice. Ruth&#8217;s sister Esther (not their real names for their privacy) had been introduced to The Secret by her husband and now avoided Ruth because she said she is toxic. The first post is called <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/">The Secret Divides</a> and I gave my initial opinion, then asked Ruth for some clarification, as well as asked you for your take on the situation.</p>
<p>Ruth said the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">My sister and I are 5 years apart, she is in her late 30s I am in my early 30s.  We live on opposite sides of the country.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">[Esther and I] talked on Christmas &#8211; but only if I agreed to be play nice.  We did exchange gifts. As long as I am willing to play along, she will speak to me &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2441" title="funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie-450x252.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="252" /></a>The other day I wrote about a woman named Ruth who emailed me asking for some advice. Ruth&#8217;s sister Esther (not their real names for their privacy) had been introduced to The Secret by her husband and now avoided Ruth because she said she is toxic. The first post is called <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/">The Secret Divides</a> and I gave my initial opinion, then asked Ruth for some clarification, as well as asked you for your take on the situation.</p>
<p>Ruth said the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">My sister and I are 5 years apart, she is in her late 30s I am in my early 30s.  We live on opposite sides of the country.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">[Esther and I] talked on Christmas &#8211; but only if I agreed to be play nice.  We did exchange gifts. As long as I am willing to play along, she will speak to me &#8211; but it is obviously strained and only to make my mom happy.  I have always had issues with hypocrisy or injustice &#8211; and I hate the fact that she doesn&#8217;t have the respect for me and my feelings that she expects for herself &#8211; but I try.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Is there anything within the teachings that I can use to help her see my even a tiny bit of the pain that we feel when she says Dad, Grandma or I got what we asked for?  I don&#8217;t want to destroy her belief &#8211; she has a right to it and I can respect that &#8211; as hard as it is for me to refrain from argument.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I am not the kind to sit and let people wallow in ignorance. I take serious exception when someone comes to a conclusion based on erroneous fact or assumption &#8211; that is my job.  It is my job to present evidence and arguments and win.  I can&#8217;t do that here &#8211; and that alone throws me so off balance I am unsure how to proceed.</p>
<p>I have been thinking about this for 2 days. I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t really give Ruth what she&#8217;s after. I don&#8217;t have a copy of The Secret but I am quite familiar with the law of attraction as I spelled out awhile ago in a post called <a href="../2010/01/10/2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/" target="_blank">The Law of Attraction, and the Secret, are Bullshit</a>. For your convenience, here are the basic rules for the law of attraction again:<span id="more-2438"></span></p>
<p>Thoughts have an energy that attracts like energy (sometimes borrowed from Quantum Mechanics, minus any evidence). You must control this energy by practicing four things:</p>
<ol>
<li>Know what you want.</li>
<li>Ask the universe for it.</li>
<li>Feel and behave as if the object of your desire is already with you, or is on its way to you.</li>
<li>Be open to receiving it.</li>
</ol>
<p>Of course, if you think negative thoughts, the universe will manifest those negative thoughts in your life as well. So you must think positively at all times so that the universe will manifest all of your desires.</p>
<p>You might notice a few things when you read over the basic concept. Namely, the narcissistic and egocentric worldview, devoid of thinking about the needs and desires of our fellow man. The whole universe magically follows your every thought, tallies them up and does your bidding if you concentrate those thoughts. So the sun doesn&#8217;t revolve around the earth, the universe revolves around YOU. It&#8217;s sort of like having your own personal genie or god.</p>
<p>Where in all of this can you find compassion for our fellow man? Nowhere, especially if those less knowledgeable about the petty workings of this busybody universe are normal humans who worry and have negative thoughts. Whatever misfortune befalls those poor saps had it coming to them. That is an extremely harmful worldview, not to mention devoid of reality, common sense and compassion.</p>
<p>So Ruth is feeling the full sting of The Secret. Her sister has deemed her toxic because she has had physical problems since she was in her early teens. According to Esther, Ruth has attracted her ailments to her, that she asked to be sick.</p>
<p>This is the farthest concept from empathy I can think of when it comes to someone who is suffering. Instead of showing compassion for her sister, she avoids her, presumably to avoid the magical negative vibes. That&#8217;s pretty heartless and uncaring.</p>
<p>So how can Ruth get through to someone who is so cold and self-centered? Esther demands that Ruth play nice, but does she do the same? Esther can make the universe bend to her will, yet she can&#8217;t show compassion to her own sister who has health problems, that Ruth&#8217;s real-life situation makes her toxic? It has nothing to do with anything based in reality. A book tells her to avoid the negative so she disposes of her sister.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just no way to reason with, or appeal to the emotions of, someone who is willing to do that for her own gain through the manipulation of the universe through her thoughts. It&#8217;s self-serving. It&#8217;s a belief that is extremely appealing, and easy to confirm whenever the slightest positive thing happens. And if something negative happens, it&#8217;s easy to make excuses and use that as a confirmation as well. Cherry-picking extraordinaire!</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t make people see the world the way you do. We are all in our own head in that sense. While Ruth can try to gently win her sister over and show through example that life is full of happy and sad, negative and positive, ups and downs, and<em> it&#8217;s what you make of it all</em>, well, maybe someday she might change her mind. But Esther seems to have embraced this magical thinking at any cost.</p>
<p>And when you have a false belief based on nothing but a silly book (ahem, <em>religion</em>, anyone?), people who don&#8217;t believe the same way are actually a threat to you. They threaten your constructed worldview with facts, reality and conflicting evidence. You are in danger of your belief system falling like a house of cards. It seems like it&#8217;s in your best interest to avoid or attack those &#8220;others&#8221;, even if they are family.</p>
<p>Well, actually it&#8217;s in your best interest to seek out differing philosophical perspectives, ask a lot of questions, read and study real science and the actual workings of the universe. The real world is <em>so achingly beautiful</em>. It&#8217;s so fascinating and complex. We understand but a small drop in the bucket of nature. There is so much out there that is real and true and interesting and exciting. Why do people feel the need to search for a supernatural answer? That is so lazy. Nature itself will blow your mind if you observe it. There is so much to learn. And it&#8217;s all natural. No accountant genies or gods needed.</p>
<p>I have to say a few more things. In talking this over with my friend and my husband, we all agreed that if our sister treated us like Esther, we would probably take a cue from her and think it was a good idea to avoid <em>her</em> for awhile. Why try to have a relationship with someone who doesn&#8217;t want one in return? I know, that&#8217;s not how we are raised in society. But in my life, my friends and husband are much more important to me than my blood relatives who are all crazy, dysfunctional and dare I say it, toxic. I make my own family with great friends and my husband. True empathy, affection, love and respect are more important to me than similar genes and a childhood history together. But that&#8217;s not for everyone.</p>
<p>I also have to say that my opinions are probably a bit more pragmatic and less optimistic than other people might have. If you have differing opinions for Ruth on her situation, please feel free to comment. Or if you want, you can <a href="mailto:heavingdeadcats@gmail.com">email me</a> privately and I&#8217;ll forward it on to Ruth. Also feel free to share any experiences you&#8217;ve had with law of attraction. It might be helpful.</p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/" title="The Secret Divides (January 10, 2010)">The Secret Divides</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/" title="Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense (November 26, 2008)">Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/17/and-i-thought-oprah-and-dr-phil-were-the-antichrists/" title="And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists (January 17, 2009)">And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
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		<title>The Secret Divides</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2435" title="what about me, alice? what about my needs?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="285" /></a>As you may know, I make no bones in saying books like The Secret and their ilk are complete bullshit. I wrote about it awhile ago &#8211; <a href="../2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/" target="_blank">The Law of Attraction, and the Secret, are Bullshit</a>.  Beyond the bullshit I have found them to be harmful if swallowed. If you believe what the book says, you will have a distorted worldview. This can be extremely detrimental to your own thought processes, and as you will see below, can also skew how you look at someone who is in an unfortunate situation.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s say you believe that your thoughts dictate what will come to you. Then someone steals your wallet while you&#8217;re at the grocery store. According to The Secret, you brought that negative event to you by worrying and thinking negative thoughts. Because you were afraid of having your wallet stolen, you worried about it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2435" title="what about me, alice? what about my needs?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="285" /></a>As you may know, I make no bones in saying books like The Secret and their ilk are complete bullshit. I wrote about it awhile ago &#8211; <a href="../2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/" target="_blank">The Law of Attraction, and the Secret, are Bullshit</a>.  Beyond the bullshit I have found them to be harmful if swallowed. If you believe what the book says, you will have a distorted worldview. This can be extremely detrimental to your own thought processes, and as you will see below, can also skew how you look at someone who is in an unfortunate situation.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s say you believe that your thoughts dictate what will come to you. Then someone steals your wallet while you&#8217;re at the grocery store. According to The Secret, you brought that negative event to you by worrying and thinking negative thoughts. Because you were afraid of having your wallet stolen, you worried about it in the back of your mind, and that made that guy behind you decide to run up and steal it. Wow! You are so powerful! The universe listens to your thoughts and acts upon them, even when you aren&#8217;t paying attention!</p>
<p>In this fantasy world, the universe is a busy-body accountant, tallying your thoughts and then scheduling events to correspond. Ridiculous!</p>
<p>So wow, what would happen if you really focused your attention? What would happen if you got rid of all of your negative thoughts (not humanly possible or healthy)  and wished for only good things? Perfect health? Wealth? A perfect spouse? Sure, why not! If you can dream it, you can make it happen. (cough cough BULLSHIT!!)</p>
<p>Of course, here&#8217;s the catch. It doesn&#8217;t happen overnight. In fact, it might be years and years of wishful thinking before something comes true. (Coincidence?!) Oh, and most likely you actually DID things to make it finally happen. Maybe you made decisions and<em> took actions</em> that led to you finally acheiving your dream.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not magic. The universe doesn&#8217;t work the way The Secret says it does. If it did, my life would be very different because of the power of my thoughts. <span id="more-2434"></span></p>
<p>What do I think about a lot? Well, actually even though I&#8217;m a rather happy atheist (with a heart of gold), I tend to worry. I often worry about Butch (my awesome husband) when he drives to and from work. I&#8217;m worried he&#8217;ll get in an accident. Since we moved to West Virginia the threat of a deer running in front of him has increased drastically than when we lived in Florida. Plus now we have snow and ice instead of just rain and other bad drivers texting and talking on their cell phones.  But you know what? My thoughts DO NOT LEAVE MY HEAD unless I speak them, write them down or act upon them.</p>
<p>In 5 years of worrying, Butch has never been in an accident. Could he get in one tomorrow? Yes. But that would be a coincidence, not magic. See? It&#8217;s nonsense.</p>
<p>One of the most insidious and hateful parts of the Secret is the idea that people who are in a bad situation made it happen with their negative thoughts. So if a woman gets raped on her way home from work one day, she is at fault because she had negative thoughts and worries that attracted the negative energy and therefore the attack on her.</p>
<p>That kind of thinking is hateful and evil. Unfortunately, I can tell you, once you believe such a baseless lie, it can really get stuck in your head. I still have to remind myself when I worry about something or think a negative thought that the thought doesn&#8217;t leave my head and the universe is not keeping track of them.  (By the way, if you know of a way to stop worrying, let me know)</p>
<p>This all leads me to Ruth (not her real name. If you have a list of cool names that I can use for when people send me emails that they then let me post anonymously, let me know! Maybe I should use biblical names. How funny would that be? I went back and changed her name to Ruth&#8230; <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Anyway, Ruth sent me an email asking for my advice and assistance. She wrote the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was reading through your discussion of &#8216;the secret&#8217; and need some help.  I see you said you have experience with the lie of attraction, and now reject it.  My sister is lost to me because I am a toxic influence in her life.  I am crushed, and she is ambivalent.  I would rather she hate me, at least then I would exist.  How can I make her see how much this hurts?  That I miss and love her, that her beliefs insult and degrade me?  That it is painful when I read that she thinks my chronic debilitating illness is my own fault and I was asking for it through negative thoughts?  Is there anything I can do?  Do you know of any other resources I can turn to?  Any help is truly appreciated!</p></blockquote>
<p>I asked Ruth if I could post this question to you, my wonderful readers, because maybe you would have some great advice or thoughts to help too. I haven&#8217;t answered her yet because I have to say, my first thoughts were kind of negative about her situation. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  So what I did was send a follow-up list of questions to her to get more information. I&#8217;ll let you know when she answers.</p>
<p>Unfortunately when someone wants to believe, and fully accepts the bullshit of the law of attraction or other psuedo-science, they can be just as dogmatic as a True Believer of religion. They<em> want</em> to believe. They feel the <em>need</em> to believe. And anything that gets in the way of those beliefs must be discarded.</p>
<p>It goes something like this. Ruth&#8217;s sister is looking for an easy fix. She buys The Secret, reads it and believes it. After that, she will cherry-pick her experiences and memories to support the law of attraction working in her life, and conveniently ignore all the evidence that says the universe follows <em>natural</em> laws and is otherwise random. Then it becomes a dogmatic belief. If Ruth disagrees, and is ill, then of course her sister will assume she&#8217;s toxic and bringing in bad vibes. The book has told her that Ruth made herself ill. Ruth has to be avoided. The Secret, in this situation, divides families.</p>
<p>Unfortunately when someone is dogmatic, in my experience there&#8217;s no getting through to them, at least not in the short term. My initial advice to Ruth, before I get more information, is the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">You can&#8217;t make someone behave and think the way you want them to. The best advice I can give at this point is simply to live your life as best you can. Don&#8217;t try to talk to her about the law of attraction. It&#8217;s rare to get through to someone who believes something completely. You will only drive them away because when you threaten their belief system, the easiest way for them to deal with the conflict is to get rid of you, as opposed to changing their worldview.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Your best bet is to show by example. Take care of yourself, be realistic and try to make the best of your personal situation (your illness), and reach out to her if she lets you. But when you reach out to her, make it benign and non-confrontational.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Of course, the other side of the situation is a bit less pleasant. If your sister is willing to discard you so easily over the lies written in a mindless book, perhaps that&#8217;s something to think about. Maybe for right now, she&#8217;s the one who&#8217;s being toxic? But that&#8217;s just a thought. I really don&#8217;t have enough information about the situation to know.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">That being said, I think you have to move on, take care of yourself, make the best of your situation, and wait it out. Occasionally reach out with a non-confrontational hello. Don&#8217;t talk about the law of attraction, your illness, or how you are hurt by her actions. Keep it friendly and avoid inflammatory issues.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Maybe things will change. Maybe they won&#8217;t, but at least you&#8217;re living your life to the best of your ability and finding happiness where you can. That&#8217;s all any of us can do.</p>
<p>So if you would like to share some thoughts with Ruth, feel free to comment. I will let you know when she answers my questions. (edit: see below for a link to part 2)</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Other posts about The Secret:</p>
<ul>
<li>The original post: <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/">The Law Of Attraction &#8211; And The Secret &#8211; Are Bullshit</a></li>
<li>Follow-up post to this one: <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/14/the-secret-divides-part-2/">The Secret Divides Part 2</a></li>
</ul>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/14/the-secret-divides-part-2/" title="The Secret Divides Part 2 (January 14, 2010)">The Secret Divides Part 2</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/" title="Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense (November 26, 2008)">Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/17/and-i-thought-oprah-and-dr-phil-were-the-antichrists/" title="And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists (January 17, 2009)">And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
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		<title>Replacing Everlasting Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2427" title="basement cat tries to get to ceiling cat" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg" alt="" width="332" height="498" /></a>Yesterday my local atheists group met and talked about many different topics. One question a woman asked was something I think most people who give up god and the supernatural have to face. I will paraphrase:</p>
<p>If there is no god, no heaven, no life after death,  or no reincarnation what do you replace that with?</p>
<p>In other words there is a comfort that many people find in religion, that they will live after death in some fashion. But when you come to understand that there is no god, then soon after you have to give up this comfortable idea in life after death, that our consciousness survives death and lives on in some other way.</p>
<p>For me, I became an atheist but still believed in reincarnation and the idea that there was some part of us, our soul, that somehow lived on. I was a spiritual atheist. Over [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2427" title="basement cat tries to get to ceiling cat" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg" alt="" width="332" height="498" /></a>Yesterday my local atheists group met and talked about many different topics. One question a woman asked was something I think most people who give up god and the supernatural have to face. I will paraphrase:</p>
<p>If there is no god, no heaven, no life after death,  or no reincarnation what do you replace that with?</p>
<p>In other words there is a comfort that many people find in religion, that they will live after death in some fashion. But when you come to understand that there is no god, then soon after you have to give up this comfortable idea in life after death, that our consciousness survives death and lives on in some other way.</p>
<p>For me, I became an atheist but still believed in reincarnation and the idea that there was some part of us, our soul, that somehow lived on. I was a spiritual atheist. Over time I realized that there is no evidence for a soul or any kind of supernatural and eventually gave it all up. For me, giving up the comfort of the supernatural was much harder than giving up the fear of god. But I had to be honest with myself and rely on science instead of my own fanciful wishes. For me, I didn&#8217;t really replace the idea of the supernatural and the soul with anything. I just gave it up. If there was an exchange it was reason and science that replaced wishful thinking.</p>
<p>Butch, my husband, was raised catholic. He read Revelations in the bible, about how 144,000 Jews&#8217; names are written in the book of life, so that was the limit for heaven. He assumed he&#8217;d go to hell. So when he gave up religion and god it was a relief more than anything else.</p>
<p>I know a few atheists that still believe in ghosts and the supernatural. I see the appeal, as I went through that stage myself, but I wonder why we feel the need to cling to such beliefs.</p>
<p>The woman at the meeting asked what do you replace the comfort of life after death with. So I am asking you, my nonbelieving friends. What process did you go through? How did you transition? What did you replace the soul with, if anything? Was it easy for you, or did you struggle?</p>
<p>If you want to reply and it&#8217;s lengthy, you can <a href="mailto:heavingdeadcats@gmail.com">email me</a> or leave a comment, whichever you prefer. I&#8217;d love to hear your story.</p>

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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/29/what-is-atheism-to-you-conversations-with-craig-the-christian-1/" title="What Is Atheism To You? Conversations With Craig the Christian 1 (March 29, 2009)">What Is Atheism To You? Conversations With Craig the Christian 1</a> (36)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/02/12/religion-is-the-path-of-least-resistance/" title="Religion is the Path of Least Resistance (February 12, 2009)">Religion is the Path of Least Resistance</a> (2)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/06/questions-for-you/" title="Questions For You (July 6, 2009)">Questions For You</a> (0)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/09/16/neo-bombed-world-trade-center-911/" title="Neo Bombed The World Trade Center on 9-11! (September 16, 2008)">Neo Bombed The World Trade Center on 9-11!</a> (0)</li>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_6743756.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2422" title="reason is the enemy of faith" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_6743756.jpg" alt="" width="320" height="286" /></a>Recently, the Morgantown Atheists hosted a satirical night of (re)<a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/2009/12/07/december-6-meeting-the-great-conversion/" target="_blank">Conversion</a> where our Brights friend Rachel tried all the arguments she could think of to convince us to turn back to god. No one took her up on her offer. But she did go through a bunch of classical arguments that I thought I might share with you. It&#8217;s good to hear what people use as excuses for believing in god, and it&#8217;s good to have sound arguments against those beliefs.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start out with the Teleological Argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology" target="_blank">Teleology</a>: the philosophical study of design and purpose. The supposition that there is purpose or direction in the works and processes of nature.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument" target="_blank">Teleological Argument</a>: the Argument from Design: argues for the existence of god or a creator based on perceived evidence of order, purpose, design or direction in nature.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the basic argument:</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_6743756.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2422" title="reason is the enemy of faith" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/n1320962393_347933_6743756.jpg" alt="" width="320" height="286" /></a>Recently, the Morgantown Atheists hosted a satirical night of (re)<a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/2009/12/07/december-6-meeting-the-great-conversion/" target="_blank">Conversion</a> where our Brights friend Rachel tried all the arguments she could think of to convince us to turn back to god. No one took her up on her offer. But she did go through a bunch of classical arguments that I thought I might share with you. It&#8217;s good to hear what people use as excuses for believing in god, and it&#8217;s good to have sound arguments against those beliefs.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start out with the Teleological Argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology" target="_blank">Teleology</a>: the philosophical study of design and purpose. The supposition that there is purpose or direction in the works and processes of nature.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument" target="_blank">Teleological Argument</a>: the Argument from Design: argues for the existence of god or a creator based on perceived evidence of order, purpose, design or direction in nature.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the basic argument:</p>
<ul>
<li>The universe is too complex, orderly, adaptive, apparently purposeful or beautiful to have occurred randomly or accidentally.</li>
<li>Therefore the universe must have been created by a sentient, intelligent, wise or purposeful being.</li>
<li>god is a sentient, intelligent, wise or purposeful being.</li>
<li>Therefore god exists.</li>
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<p>You can substitute just about anything in for the universe. The eye, humans, the fundamental constants of the universe, etc.</p>
<p>Many great men have used this argument over the centuries, but that doesn&#8217;t make it valid. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and Cicero to name a few. Cicero started the Watchmaker Analogy:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;When you see a sundial or a water-clock, you see that it tells the time by design and not by chance. How then can you imagine that the universe as a whole is devoid of purpose and intelligence, when it embraces everything, including these artifacts themselves and their artificers?&#8221; (Cicero, De Natura Deorum, ii. 34)<span id="more-2420"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Even Charles Darwin found the Watchmaker Analogy compelling, which he got from William Paley who wrote about it in his book titled Natural Theology in 1802. But his theory of evolution was an alternative explanation for the complexity of nature. In his autobiography, Darwin wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>Although I did not think much about the existence of a personal God until a considerably later period of my life, I will here give the vague conclusions to which I have been driven. The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings and in the action of natural selection, than in the course which the wind blows. Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws. (Charles Darwin&#8217;s <a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&amp;itemID=F1497&amp;keywords=in+argument+old+nature+design+of&amp;pageseq=89" target="_blank">Autobiography</a>, page 87)</p></blockquote>
<p>And of course, proponents of intelligent design find this idea compelling. They make up complicated sounding concepts like irreducible complexity (variation of the watchmaker analogy where you can&#8217;t have half an eye, you need it fully developed for it to be effective, etc) and other such nonsense.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2423" title="funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-white-dove-is-about-to-be-eaten.jpg" alt="" width="432" height="258" /></a>Just Because It&#8217;s Complex Does Not Imply A Designer</strong></p>
<p>There are systems in nature that are non-random or orderly simply because they follow natural physical processes. Diamonds and snowflakes are examples.</p>
<p>Just because it&#8217;s not understood (argument from ignorance) doesn&#8217;t mean god did it. In many cases its simply the ignorance of the person arguing that god did it. For instance, the eye is seen in many different stages of evolution throughout the animal kingdom today and throughout natural history. All are relevant, all show irreducible complexity to be completely nonsensical.</p>
<p>Listen to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" target="_blank">Richard Dawkins</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson" target="_blank">Neil deGrasse Tyson</a> and you&#8217;ll start to see the unsoundness of such arguments. In fact, Dr. Tyson did a 6 minute video about &#8220;bad design&#8221; which you can find here: <a href="../2009/09/19/by-god-hes-a-bad-designer/">By god He&#8217;s a Bad Designer</a>. This is an interesting angle. If everything was designed by god, why are there so many screwy ways that nature does things? Why are there so many bad designs, like eating and breathing out of the same hole?</p>
<p>Evolution, as Darwin laid out and science has refined, is a better explanation with more supporting evidence than intelligent design could ever hope to be.</p>
<p><strong>Does Not Prove The Existence Of God</strong></p>
<p>Even if, by some twisted perversity everything is designed by a god, it doesn&#8217;t mean that it is the one god that the christians, jews or muslims follow. It doesn&#8217;t mean, by that logic that there is just one god at all, or that the designer(s) are omnipotent, benevolent, or even interested in earth.</p>
<p>Voltaire and David Hume came up with those ideas.</p>
<p><strong>If Everything is Designed, Who Designed the Designer?</strong></p>
<p>Or as Richard Dawkins suggests, the teleological argument would apply to the designer in question. So that designer would have to be at least as complex and purposeful as the designed objects. You would need many designers, all even more complex than the previous, to design the designers.</p>
<p>Some say that god is outside of the natural laws of the universe, so that he doesn&#8217;t need a designer. But this is nonsensical. If he was outside of nature, he would be unable to interact with nature. If you moved the goalposts again to say that he could magically mess with nature even though he is outside of the laws of nature, wouldn&#8217;t there be some trace of nature being messed with each time? (Just a thought.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no philosopher. I&#8217;m just trying to simply explain this theological argument that we all come across in our travels. Feel free to add to my explanations, give examples, and show counter arguments to help us all understand some of these philosophical concepts.</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2259" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen-450x322.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen" width="450" height="322" /></a>OMG, yo! Hide the good silver! Run for your lives! The Mayans say the world will end December 21, 2012 and that&#8217;s only 2 years and a month away! Whatever will we do?!</p>
<p>Of course the Mayans themselves didn&#8217;t survive till 2012, so maybe they aren&#8217;t the best group to ask about such things. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Recently a friend of mine mentioned the 2012 phenomenon as if it were true. Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t have the hard facts at my disposal so I told him it&#8217;s not going to happen and left it at that. But I thought I&#8217;d look up some more information so when your mother starts talking about the end of the world, you will have some facts to back you up.</p>
<p>Lucky for me, <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html" target="_blank">NASA</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a> have pages to explain where the concept came from and what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2259" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen-450x322.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemen" width="450" height="322" /></a>OMG, yo! Hide the good silver! Run for your lives! The Mayans say the world will end December 21, 2012 and that&#8217;s only 2 years and a month away! Whatever will we do?!</p>
<p>Of course the Mayans themselves didn&#8217;t survive till 2012, so maybe they aren&#8217;t the best group to ask about such things. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Recently a friend of mine mentioned the 2012 phenomenon as if it were true. Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t have the hard facts at my disposal so I told him it&#8217;s not going to happen and left it at that. But I thought I&#8217;d look up some more information so when your mother starts talking about the end of the world, you will have some facts to back you up.</p>
<p>Lucky for me, <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html" target="_blank">NASA</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a> have pages to explain where the concept came from and what scientific basis there is for it (none, thank you very much).</p>
<p>Some people seem to love the idea of predicting cataclysmic events and the destruction of the world. Of course, since we&#8217;re still here, so far they have been wrong every time. That&#8217;s something in itself to consider.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html" target="_blank">NASA</a> explains it all very succinctly in FAQ form:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Q:</strong> Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.<br />
<strong>A:</strong> Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.<span id="more-2257"></span></p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 &#8212; hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then &#8212; just as your calendar begins again on January 1 &#8212; another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-shift to fool people. They claim a relationship between the rotation and the magnetic polarity of Earth, which does change irregularly, with a magnetic reversal taking place every 400,000 years on average. As far as we know, such a magnetic reversal doesn’t cause any harm to life on Earth. A magnetic reversal is very unlikely to happen in the next few millennia, anyway.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> Is the Earth in danger of being hit by a meteor in 2012?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> The Earth has always been subject to impacts by comets and asteroids, although big hits are very rare. The last big impact was 65 million years ago, and that led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. Today NASA astronomers are carrying out a survey called the Spaceguard Survey to find any large near-Earth asteroids long before they hit. We have already determined that there are no threatening asteroids as large as the one that killed the dinosaurs. All this work is done openly with the discoveries posted every day on the NASA <a href="http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/" target="_blank">NEO Program Office website</a>, so you can see for yourself that nothing is predicted to hit in 2012.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> How do NASA scientists feel about claims of pending doomsday?<br />
<strong>A: </strong>For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012.</p>
<p><strong>Q:</strong> Is there a danger from giant solar storms predicted for 2012?<br />
<strong>A:</strong> Solar activity has a regular cycle, with peaks approximately every 11 years. Near these activity peaks, solar flares can cause some interruption of satellite communications, although engineers are learning how to build electronics that are protected against most solar storms. But there is no special risk associated with 2012. The next solar maximum will occur in the 2012-2014 time frame and is predicted to be an average solar cycle, no different than previous cycles throughout history.</p>
<p>Addition information concerning 2012 is available on the Web, at:</p>
<ul>
<li>NASA Astrobiology Institute: &#8220;<a href="http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers" target="_blank">Nibiru and Doomsday 2012</a>&#8220;</li>
<li>Bad Astronomy: &#8220;<a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html" target="_blank">The Planet X Saga: The Scientific Arguments in a Nutshell&#8221;</a></li>
<li>Sky and Telescope Magazine: &#8220;<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html" target="_blank">2012: The Great Scare</a>&#8220;</li>
</ul>
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<p>Also see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a> or more. It seems well referenced. Even <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091113122958.htm?" target="_blank">Science Daily</a> mentions the cyclical nature of the Mayan Calendar.</p>
<p>December 21, 2012 is a Friday. I propose a huge &#8220;Another Unfounded Prediction Has Failed&#8221; Party for Saturday December 22, 2012. How nice that we will also be able to celebrate the Winter Solstice as well! <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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