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		<title>The Secret Divides Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2441" title="funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie-450x252.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="252" /></a>The other day I wrote about a woman named Ruth who emailed me asking for some advice. Ruth&#8217;s sister Esther (not their real names for their privacy) had been introduced to The Secret by her husband and now avoided Ruth because she said she is toxic. The first post is called <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/">The Secret Divides</a> and I gave my initial opinion, then asked Ruth for some clarification, as well as asked you for your take on the situation.</p>
<p>Ruth said the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">My sister and I are 5 years apart, she is in her late 30s I am in my early 30s.  We live on opposite sides of the country.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">[Esther and I] talked on Christmas &#8211; but only if I agreed to be play nice.  We did exchange gifts. As long as I am willing to play along, she will speak to me &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2441" title="funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny-pictures-bear-orders-an-eskimo-pie-450x252.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="252" /></a>The other day I wrote about a woman named Ruth who emailed me asking for some advice. Ruth&#8217;s sister Esther (not their real names for their privacy) had been introduced to The Secret by her husband and now avoided Ruth because she said she is toxic. The first post is called <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/">The Secret Divides</a> and I gave my initial opinion, then asked Ruth for some clarification, as well as asked you for your take on the situation.</p>
<p>Ruth said the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">My sister and I are 5 years apart, she is in her late 30s I am in my early 30s.  We live on opposite sides of the country.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">[Esther and I] talked on Christmas &#8211; but only if I agreed to be play nice.  We did exchange gifts. As long as I am willing to play along, she will speak to me &#8211; but it is obviously strained and only to make my mom happy.  I have always had issues with hypocrisy or injustice &#8211; and I hate the fact that she doesn&#8217;t have the respect for me and my feelings that she expects for herself &#8211; but I try.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Is there anything within the teachings that I can use to help her see my even a tiny bit of the pain that we feel when she says Dad, Grandma or I got what we asked for?  I don&#8217;t want to destroy her belief &#8211; she has a right to it and I can respect that &#8211; as hard as it is for me to refrain from argument.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I am not the kind to sit and let people wallow in ignorance. I take serious exception when someone comes to a conclusion based on erroneous fact or assumption &#8211; that is my job.  It is my job to present evidence and arguments and win.  I can&#8217;t do that here &#8211; and that alone throws me so off balance I am unsure how to proceed.</p>
<p>I have been thinking about this for 2 days. I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t really give Ruth what she&#8217;s after. I don&#8217;t have a copy of The Secret but I am quite familiar with the law of attraction as I spelled out awhile ago in a post called <a href="../2010/01/10/2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/" target="_blank">The Law of Attraction, and the Secret, are Bullshit</a>. For your convenience, here are the basic rules for the law of attraction again:<span id="more-2438"></span></p>
<p>Thoughts have an energy that attracts like energy (sometimes borrowed from Quantum Mechanics, minus any evidence). You must control this energy by practicing four things:</p>
<ol>
<li>Know what you want.</li>
<li>Ask the universe for it.</li>
<li>Feel and behave as if the object of your desire is already with you, or is on its way to you.</li>
<li>Be open to receiving it.</li>
</ol>
<p>Of course, if you think negative thoughts, the universe will manifest those negative thoughts in your life as well. So you must think positively at all times so that the universe will manifest all of your desires.</p>
<p>You might notice a few things when you read over the basic concept. Namely, the narcissistic and egocentric worldview, devoid of thinking about the needs and desires of our fellow man. The whole universe magically follows your every thought, tallies them up and does your bidding if you concentrate those thoughts. So the sun doesn&#8217;t revolve around the earth, the universe revolves around YOU. It&#8217;s sort of like having your own personal genie or god.</p>
<p>Where in all of this can you find compassion for our fellow man? Nowhere, especially if those less knowledgeable about the petty workings of this busybody universe are normal humans who worry and have negative thoughts. Whatever misfortune befalls those poor saps had it coming to them. That is an extremely harmful worldview, not to mention devoid of reality, common sense and compassion.</p>
<p>So Ruth is feeling the full sting of The Secret. Her sister has deemed her toxic because she has had physical problems since she was in her early teens. According to Esther, Ruth has attracted her ailments to her, that she asked to be sick.</p>
<p>This is the farthest concept from empathy I can think of when it comes to someone who is suffering. Instead of showing compassion for her sister, she avoids her, presumably to avoid the magical negative vibes. That&#8217;s pretty heartless and uncaring.</p>
<p>So how can Ruth get through to someone who is so cold and self-centered? Esther demands that Ruth play nice, but does she do the same? Esther can make the universe bend to her will, yet she can&#8217;t show compassion to her own sister who has health problems, that Ruth&#8217;s real-life situation makes her toxic? It has nothing to do with anything based in reality. A book tells her to avoid the negative so she disposes of her sister.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just no way to reason with, or appeal to the emotions of, someone who is willing to do that for her own gain through the manipulation of the universe through her thoughts. It&#8217;s self-serving. It&#8217;s a belief that is extremely appealing, and easy to confirm whenever the slightest positive thing happens. And if something negative happens, it&#8217;s easy to make excuses and use that as a confirmation as well. Cherry-picking extraordinaire!</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t make people see the world the way you do. We are all in our own head in that sense. While Ruth can try to gently win her sister over and show through example that life is full of happy and sad, negative and positive, ups and downs, and<em> it&#8217;s what you make of it all</em>, well, maybe someday she might change her mind. But Esther seems to have embraced this magical thinking at any cost.</p>
<p>And when you have a false belief based on nothing but a silly book (ahem, <em>religion</em>, anyone?), people who don&#8217;t believe the same way are actually a threat to you. They threaten your constructed worldview with facts, reality and conflicting evidence. You are in danger of your belief system falling like a house of cards. It seems like it&#8217;s in your best interest to avoid or attack those &#8220;others&#8221;, even if they are family.</p>
<p>Well, actually it&#8217;s in your best interest to seek out differing philosophical perspectives, ask a lot of questions, read and study real science and the actual workings of the universe. The real world is <em>so achingly beautiful</em>. It&#8217;s so fascinating and complex. We understand but a small drop in the bucket of nature. There is so much out there that is real and true and interesting and exciting. Why do people feel the need to search for a supernatural answer? That is so lazy. Nature itself will blow your mind if you observe it. There is so much to learn. And it&#8217;s all natural. No accountant genies or gods needed.</p>
<p>I have to say a few more things. In talking this over with my friend and my husband, we all agreed that if our sister treated us like Esther, we would probably take a cue from her and think it was a good idea to avoid <em>her</em> for awhile. Why try to have a relationship with someone who doesn&#8217;t want one in return? I know, that&#8217;s not how we are raised in society. But in my life, my friends and husband are much more important to me than my blood relatives who are all crazy, dysfunctional and dare I say it, toxic. I make my own family with great friends and my husband. True empathy, affection, love and respect are more important to me than similar genes and a childhood history together. But that&#8217;s not for everyone.</p>
<p>I also have to say that my opinions are probably a bit more pragmatic and less optimistic than other people might have. If you have differing opinions for Ruth on her situation, please feel free to comment. Or if you want, you can <a href="mailto:heavingdeadcats@gmail.com">email me</a> privately and I&#8217;ll forward it on to Ruth. Also feel free to share any experiences you&#8217;ve had with law of attraction. It might be helpful.</p>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
	<ul class="st-related-posts">
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/" title="The Secret Divides (January 10, 2010)">The Secret Divides</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/" title="Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense (November 26, 2008)">Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/17/and-i-thought-oprah-and-dr-phil-were-the-antichrists/" title="And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists (January 17, 2009)">And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
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		<title>The Secret Divides</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2435" title="what about me, alice? what about my needs?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="285" /></a>As you may know, I make no bones in saying books like The Secret and their ilk are complete bullshit. I wrote about it awhile ago &#8211; <a href="../2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/" target="_blank">The Law of Attraction, and the Secret, are Bullshit</a>.  Beyond the bullshit I have found them to be harmful if swallowed. If you believe what the book says, you will have a distorted worldview. This can be extremely detrimental to your own thought processes, and as you will see below, can also skew how you look at someone who is in an unfortunate situation.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s say you believe that your thoughts dictate what will come to you. Then someone steals your wallet while you&#8217;re at the grocery store. According to The Secret, you brought that negative event to you by worrying and thinking negative thoughts. Because you were afraid of having your wallet stolen, you worried about it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2435" title="what about me, alice? what about my needs?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whataboutmeal128644485383736044.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="285" /></a>As you may know, I make no bones in saying books like The Secret and their ilk are complete bullshit. I wrote about it awhile ago &#8211; <a href="../2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/" target="_blank">The Law of Attraction, and the Secret, are Bullshit</a>.  Beyond the bullshit I have found them to be harmful if swallowed. If you believe what the book says, you will have a distorted worldview. This can be extremely detrimental to your own thought processes, and as you will see below, can also skew how you look at someone who is in an unfortunate situation.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s say you believe that your thoughts dictate what will come to you. Then someone steals your wallet while you&#8217;re at the grocery store. According to The Secret, you brought that negative event to you by worrying and thinking negative thoughts. Because you were afraid of having your wallet stolen, you worried about it in the back of your mind, and that made that guy behind you decide to run up and steal it. Wow! You are so powerful! The universe listens to your thoughts and acts upon them, even when you aren&#8217;t paying attention!</p>
<p>In this fantasy world, the universe is a busy-body accountant, tallying your thoughts and then scheduling events to correspond. Ridiculous!</p>
<p>So wow, what would happen if you really focused your attention? What would happen if you got rid of all of your negative thoughts (not humanly possible or healthy)  and wished for only good things? Perfect health? Wealth? A perfect spouse? Sure, why not! If you can dream it, you can make it happen. (cough cough BULLSHIT!!)</p>
<p>Of course, here&#8217;s the catch. It doesn&#8217;t happen overnight. In fact, it might be years and years of wishful thinking before something comes true. (Coincidence?!) Oh, and most likely you actually DID things to make it finally happen. Maybe you made decisions and<em> took actions</em> that led to you finally acheiving your dream.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not magic. The universe doesn&#8217;t work the way The Secret says it does. If it did, my life would be very different because of the power of my thoughts. <span id="more-2434"></span></p>
<p>What do I think about a lot? Well, actually even though I&#8217;m a rather happy atheist (with a heart of gold), I tend to worry. I often worry about Butch (my awesome husband) when he drives to and from work. I&#8217;m worried he&#8217;ll get in an accident. Since we moved to West Virginia the threat of a deer running in front of him has increased drastically than when we lived in Florida. Plus now we have snow and ice instead of just rain and other bad drivers texting and talking on their cell phones.  But you know what? My thoughts DO NOT LEAVE MY HEAD unless I speak them, write them down or act upon them.</p>
<p>In 5 years of worrying, Butch has never been in an accident. Could he get in one tomorrow? Yes. But that would be a coincidence, not magic. See? It&#8217;s nonsense.</p>
<p>One of the most insidious and hateful parts of the Secret is the idea that people who are in a bad situation made it happen with their negative thoughts. So if a woman gets raped on her way home from work one day, she is at fault because she had negative thoughts and worries that attracted the negative energy and therefore the attack on her.</p>
<p>That kind of thinking is hateful and evil. Unfortunately, I can tell you, once you believe such a baseless lie, it can really get stuck in your head. I still have to remind myself when I worry about something or think a negative thought that the thought doesn&#8217;t leave my head and the universe is not keeping track of them.  (By the way, if you know of a way to stop worrying, let me know)</p>
<p>This all leads me to Ruth (not her real name. If you have a list of cool names that I can use for when people send me emails that they then let me post anonymously, let me know! Maybe I should use biblical names. How funny would that be? I went back and changed her name to Ruth&#8230; <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Anyway, Ruth sent me an email asking for my advice and assistance. She wrote the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was reading through your discussion of &#8216;the secret&#8217; and need some help.  I see you said you have experience with the lie of attraction, and now reject it.  My sister is lost to me because I am a toxic influence in her life.  I am crushed, and she is ambivalent.  I would rather she hate me, at least then I would exist.  How can I make her see how much this hurts?  That I miss and love her, that her beliefs insult and degrade me?  That it is painful when I read that she thinks my chronic debilitating illness is my own fault and I was asking for it through negative thoughts?  Is there anything I can do?  Do you know of any other resources I can turn to?  Any help is truly appreciated!</p></blockquote>
<p>I asked Ruth if I could post this question to you, my wonderful readers, because maybe you would have some great advice or thoughts to help too. I haven&#8217;t answered her yet because I have to say, my first thoughts were kind of negative about her situation. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  So what I did was send a follow-up list of questions to her to get more information. I&#8217;ll let you know when she answers.</p>
<p>Unfortunately when someone wants to believe, and fully accepts the bullshit of the law of attraction or other psuedo-science, they can be just as dogmatic as a True Believer of religion. They<em> want</em> to believe. They feel the <em>need</em> to believe. And anything that gets in the way of those beliefs must be discarded.</p>
<p>It goes something like this. Ruth&#8217;s sister is looking for an easy fix. She buys The Secret, reads it and believes it. After that, she will cherry-pick her experiences and memories to support the law of attraction working in her life, and conveniently ignore all the evidence that says the universe follows <em>natural</em> laws and is otherwise random. Then it becomes a dogmatic belief. If Ruth disagrees, and is ill, then of course her sister will assume she&#8217;s toxic and bringing in bad vibes. The book has told her that Ruth made herself ill. Ruth has to be avoided. The Secret, in this situation, divides families.</p>
<p>Unfortunately when someone is dogmatic, in my experience there&#8217;s no getting through to them, at least not in the short term. My initial advice to Ruth, before I get more information, is the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">You can&#8217;t make someone behave and think the way you want them to. The best advice I can give at this point is simply to live your life as best you can. Don&#8217;t try to talk to her about the law of attraction. It&#8217;s rare to get through to someone who believes something completely. You will only drive them away because when you threaten their belief system, the easiest way for them to deal with the conflict is to get rid of you, as opposed to changing their worldview.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Your best bet is to show by example. Take care of yourself, be realistic and try to make the best of your personal situation (your illness), and reach out to her if she lets you. But when you reach out to her, make it benign and non-confrontational.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Of course, the other side of the situation is a bit less pleasant. If your sister is willing to discard you so easily over the lies written in a mindless book, perhaps that&#8217;s something to think about. Maybe for right now, she&#8217;s the one who&#8217;s being toxic? But that&#8217;s just a thought. I really don&#8217;t have enough information about the situation to know.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">That being said, I think you have to move on, take care of yourself, make the best of your situation, and wait it out. Occasionally reach out with a non-confrontational hello. Don&#8217;t talk about the law of attraction, your illness, or how you are hurt by her actions. Keep it friendly and avoid inflammatory issues.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Maybe things will change. Maybe they won&#8217;t, but at least you&#8217;re living your life to the best of your ability and finding happiness where you can. That&#8217;s all any of us can do.</p>
<p>So if you would like to share some thoughts with Ruth, feel free to comment. I will let you know when she answers my questions. (edit: see below for a link to part 2)</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Other posts about The Secret:</p>
<ul>
<li>The original post: <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/">The Law Of Attraction &#8211; And The Secret &#8211; Are Bullshit</a></li>
<li>Follow-up post to this one: <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/14/the-secret-divides-part-2/">The Secret Divides Part 2</a></li>
</ul>

	<h4>Related posts</h4>
	<ul class="st-related-posts">
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/14/the-secret-divides-part-2/" title="The Secret Divides Part 2 (January 14, 2010)">The Secret Divides Part 2</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/11/26/thanksgiving-family-fundie-nonsense/" title="Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense (November 26, 2008)">Thanksgiving and Family Fundie Nonsense</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/17/and-i-thought-oprah-and-dr-phil-were-the-antichrists/" title="And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists (January 17, 2009)">And I Thought Oprah and Dr. Phil Were The Antichrists</a> (4)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/11/04/your-tax-dollars-teaching-medical-students-pseudoscience/" title="Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience (November 4, 2009)">Your Tax Dollars Teaching Medical Students Pseudoscience</a> (6)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/03/04/young-earth-invasion/" title="Young Earth Invasion (March 4, 2009)">Young Earth Invasion</a> (6)</li>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2427" title="basement cat tries to get to ceiling cat" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg" alt="" width="332" height="498" /></a>Yesterday my local atheists group met and talked about many different topics. One question a woman asked was something I think most people who give up god and the supernatural have to face. I will paraphrase:</p>
<p>If there is no god, no heaven, no life after death,  or no reincarnation what do you replace that with?</p>
<p>In other words there is a comfort that many people find in religion, that they will live after death in some fashion. But when you come to understand that there is no god, then soon after you have to give up this comfortable idea in life after death, that our consciousness survives death and lives on in some other way.</p>
<p>For me, I became an atheist but still believed in reincarnation and the idea that there was some part of us, our soul, that somehow lived on. I was a spiritual atheist. Over [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2427" title="basement cat tries to get to ceiling cat" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/36ebd84d-ae0c-489b-8def-c63036be24ed.jpg" alt="" width="332" height="498" /></a>Yesterday my local atheists group met and talked about many different topics. One question a woman asked was something I think most people who give up god and the supernatural have to face. I will paraphrase:</p>
<p>If there is no god, no heaven, no life after death,  or no reincarnation what do you replace that with?</p>
<p>In other words there is a comfort that many people find in religion, that they will live after death in some fashion. But when you come to understand that there is no god, then soon after you have to give up this comfortable idea in life after death, that our consciousness survives death and lives on in some other way.</p>
<p>For me, I became an atheist but still believed in reincarnation and the idea that there was some part of us, our soul, that somehow lived on. I was a spiritual atheist. Over time I realized that there is no evidence for a soul or any kind of supernatural and eventually gave it all up. For me, giving up the comfort of the supernatural was much harder than giving up the fear of god. But I had to be honest with myself and rely on science instead of my own fanciful wishes. For me, I didn&#8217;t really replace the idea of the supernatural and the soul with anything. I just gave it up. If there was an exchange it was reason and science that replaced wishful thinking.</p>
<p>Butch, my husband, was raised catholic. He read Revelations in the bible, about how 144,000 Jews&#8217; names are written in the book of life, so that was the limit for heaven. He assumed he&#8217;d go to hell. So when he gave up religion and god it was a relief more than anything else.</p>
<p>I know a few atheists that still believe in ghosts and the supernatural. I see the appeal, as I went through that stage myself, but I wonder why we feel the need to cling to such beliefs.</p>
<p>The woman at the meeting asked what do you replace the comfort of life after death with. So I am asking you, my nonbelieving friends. What process did you go through? How did you transition? What did you replace the soul with, if anything? Was it easy for you, or did you struggle?</p>
<p>If you want to reply and it&#8217;s lengthy, you can <a href="mailto:heavingdeadcats@gmail.com">email me</a> or leave a comment, whichever you prefer. I&#8217;d love to hear your story.</p>

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		<title>Many Americans Are Religiously Mixed Up</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1ff0c411-8f13-4920-89b2-baddf91d06c6.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2324" title="Wha?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1ff0c411-8f13-4920-89b2-baddf91d06c6.jpg" alt="Wha?" width="231" height="334" /></a>The <a href="http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=490" target="_blank">Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life</a> just released a new survey today. I&#8217;ve given it a quick persusal and I have to say, while some of it is interesting, most of it doesn&#8217;t surprise me. Apparently large numbers of Americans engage in multiple religious practices. Stuff you&#8217;d think would cancel each other out, but they handle the cognitive dissonance without hesitation.</p>
<p>For example, many blend christianity with Eastern or new age philosophies such as reincarnation, astrology and the belief in spiritual energy in physical objects. Sizeable minorities in all major U.S. religious groups say they have experienced supernatural phenomena, such as being in touch with the dead or with ghosts.</p>
<p>A third of Americans attend different religious services. Personally I find this amazing. When I studied different religions, I lost my faith in all of them pretty quickly because they sort of canceled each other [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1ff0c411-8f13-4920-89b2-baddf91d06c6.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2324" title="Wha?" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1ff0c411-8f13-4920-89b2-baddf91d06c6.jpg" alt="Wha?" width="231" height="334" /></a>The <a href="http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=490" target="_blank">Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life</a> just released a new survey today. I&#8217;ve given it a quick persusal and I have to say, while some of it is interesting, most of it doesn&#8217;t surprise me. Apparently large numbers of Americans engage in multiple religious practices. Stuff you&#8217;d think would cancel each other out, but they handle the cognitive dissonance without hesitation.</p>
<p>For example, many blend christianity with Eastern or new age philosophies such as reincarnation, astrology and the belief in spiritual energy in physical objects. Sizeable minorities in all major U.S. religious groups say they have experienced supernatural phenomena, such as being in touch with the dead or with ghosts.</p>
<p>A third of Americans attend different religious services. Personally I find this amazing. When I studied different religions, I lost my faith in all of them pretty quickly because they sort of canceled each other out. Instead 35% of Americans seem to handle the conflicting faiths and stories just fine.</p>
<p>24% of Americans and 22% of christians, specifically, believe in astrology and 15% have consulted a fortuneteller or psychic. Damn, I&#8217;m in the wrong business.</p>
<p>Nearly half (49%) of the public says they&#8217;ve had a religious or mystical experience, defined as a &#8220;moment of sudden religious insight or awakening.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is interesting but not surprising. About 1/4 of adults express belief in tenets of certain Eastern religions: 24% believe in reincarnation, 23% believe in yoga as a spiritual practice. 26% believe in spiritual energy located in physical things such as mountains, trees or crystals and 25% believe in astrology. About 16% believe in the &#8216;evil eye&#8217; or that certain people can curse or cast spells that cause bad things to happen to someone.<span id="more-2323"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/multiplefaithslarge.GIF"><img class="size-full wp-image-2325 alignright" title="multiplefaithslarge" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/multiplefaithslarge.GIF" alt="multiplefaithslarge" width="300" height="200" /></a>&#8220;Compared with other religious traditions, white evangelical Protestants consistently express lower levels of acceptance of both Eastern beliefs (reincarnation, yoga) and New Age beliefs (spiritual energy in physical things and astrology). For example, roughly one-in-ten white evangelicals believes in reincarnation, compared with 24% among mainline Protestants, 25% among both white Catholics and those unaffiliated with any religion, and 29% among black Protestants. Similarly, 13% of white evangelicals believe in astrology, compared with roughly one-quarter or more among other religious traditions. There are few differences among religious traditions in belief in the &#8220;evil eye,&#8221; though black Protestants stand out for high levels of belief on this question (32%).&#8221;</p>
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&#8220;Among Protestants, high levels of religious commitment are associated with lower levels of acceptance of Eastern or New Age beliefs. Among both evangelical and mainline Protestants, those who attend church weekly express much lower levels of belief in reincarnation, yoga, the existence of spiritual energy in physical things and astrology compared with those who attend religious services less often. Among Catholics, by contrast, frequency of church attendance is linked much less closely with these kinds of beliefs, although those who attend less often do express higher levels of belief in astrology compared with weekly attenders.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural-experiences.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-2326 alignright" title="supernatural-experiences" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural-experiences.gif" alt="supernatural-experiences" width="294" height="247" /></a>&#8220;Hispanics are more likely than whites to believe in yoga, spiritual energy in physical objects, astrology and the evil eye, and blacks are more likely than whites to believe in reincarnation and the evil eye. Older people (those over age 65) consistently express lower levels of acceptance of these kinds of beliefs compared with younger people. These beliefs are more common among Democrats and independents than Republicans and are more widely held by liberals and moderates than conservatives. The difference between liberals and conservatives is especially pronounced on the question of belief in yoga as a spiritual practice; nearly four-in-ten liberals express this belief (39%), compared with 15% of conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>29% of Americans say they&#8217;ve felt in touch with someone who has died. 18% have been in the presence of a ghost and 15% have consulted a psychic or fortuneteller.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;Evangelical Protestants are the group least likely to say they have felt in touch with a dead person (20%). Members of other religious traditions are much more familiar with this type of phenomenon, with 37% of black Protestants, 35% of white Catholics, 31% of the unaffiliated and 29% of white mainline Protestants saying they have felt in touch with someone who has died. Differences between evangelicals and other religious traditions are smaller on the questions of ghostly experiences and consultations with fortunetellers.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mystical-experience.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-2327 alignright" title="mystical-experience" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mystical-experience.gif" alt="mystical-experience" width="270" height="322" /></a>Women report being in touch with a dead person more than men. Women are also more than twice as likely to have consulted a psychic or fortuneteller. (20% vs 10%) Interestingly, a college education doesn&#8217;t stop people from consulting a psychic. (13% for the less educated, 17% for those with a college education). Conservatives and Republicans report fewer of these experiences than Liberals or Democrats though.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;In total, upwards of six-in-ten adults (65%) express belief in or report having experience with at least one of these diverse supernatural phenomena (belief in reincarnation, belief in spiritual energy located in physical things, belief in yoga as spiritual practice, belief in the &#8220;evil eye,&#8221; belief in astrology, having been in touch with the dead, consulting a psychic, or experiencing a ghostly encounter). This includes roughly one-quarter of the population (23%) who report having only one of these beliefs or experiences. More than four-in-ten people (43%) answer two or more of these items affirmatively, including 25% who answer two or three of these items affirmatively and nearly one-in-five (18%) who answer yes to four or more. Roughly one-third of the public (35%) answers no to all eight items.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;With the exception of white evangelicals, majorities of all major religious traditions report holding at least one of these beliefs or having experienced one of these phenomena. In fact, roughly half of black Protestants (50%), the religiously unaffiliated (48%) and Catholics (47%) answer yes to two or more of these items, as do 43% of white mainline Protestants. A slim majority of white evangelicals (53%) answer no to all eight questions, while 47% indicate belief or familiarity with at least one of these items. Among white evangelicals and white mainline Protestants, higher levels of religious commitment (as measured by frequency of church attendance) are associated with lower levels of belief in these phenomena and familiarity with these experiences.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/new-age.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2328" title="new-age" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/new-age.gif" alt="new-age" width="482" height="186" /></a>&#8220;Among the unaffiliated, three-in-ten have had a religious or mystical experience. This is lower than nearly any other religious segment of the population but is still a higher proportion than among the general public in 1962 (22%). These kinds of experiences are particularly common among the &#8220;religious unaffiliated&#8221; (i.e., those who describe their religion as &#8220;nothing in particular&#8221; and say that religion is at least somewhat important in their lives), among whom 51% have had a religious or mystical experience. Among self-described atheists, agnostics and the &#8220;secular unaffiliated&#8221; (i.e., those who describe their religion as &#8220;nothing in particular&#8221; and say that religion is not important in their lives), roughly one-in-five (18%) say they have had this kind of experience.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;Mystical or religious experiences are most common among people who regularly attend religious services. More than six-in-ten of those who attend weekly say they have had this kind of experience (61%), compared with half of those who attend monthly or yearly (48%) and just one-third of those who seldom or never attend religious services (33%).&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/demographics.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2329" title="demographics" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/demographics.gif" alt="demographics" width="458" height="619" /></a>&#8220;Blacks are much more likely than whites or Hispanics (69%, 47% and 44%, respectively) to report religious or mystical experiences. More than half (55%) of baby boomers (age 50-64) identify with such experiences, compared with fewer young adults and seniors (43% each).&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;There is little difference along party lines on this question. Roughly half of Republicans, Democrats and independents say they have had a religious or mystical experience. More than half of conservatives (55%) claim to have had such experiences, similar to the number of liberals who have had these kinds of experiences (50%) and much higher than among moderates (43%).&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural.gif"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2330" title="supernatural" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural.gif" alt="supernatural" width="295" height="376" /></a></p>
<p>Now, as with all surveys, this was just a small, diverse sampling of the public. 4,013 adults to be exact. So keep that in mind.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural2.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-2331 aligncenter" title="supernatural2" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural2.gif" alt="supernatural2" width="354" height="570" /></a></p>
<p>I guess what I find disturbing is how many diverse and conflicting beliefs these people walk around with. That&#8217;s called <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cognitive+dissonance" target="_blank">cognitive dissonance</a> (anxiety that results from simultaneously holding contradictory or otherwise incompatible attitudes, beliefs or the like).  Only I guess it&#8217;s not when it doesn&#8217;t register in the conscience.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural-number.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-2332 aligncenter" title="supernatural-number" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/supernatural-number.gif" alt="supernatural-number" width="388" height="337" /></a></p>
<p>Are the masses of people who populate America this unconscious? This unaware of what they believe? How terrifying is that?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mystical.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-2333 aligncenter" title="mystical" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mystical.gif" alt="mystical" width="258" height="219" /></a></p>
<p>The sad thing is, this isn&#8217;t shocking. I mean, just look at what is on offer for TV these days. Ghost Hunter, anyone?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mystical2.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-2334 aligncenter" title="mystical2" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mystical2.gif" alt="mystical2" width="319" height="473" /></a></p>
<p>Mindless drivel spoonfed to self-absorbed, willfully ignorant narcissists.</p>
<p>Well, here&#8217;s a lolcat to cheer you up!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-basement-cat-knows-your-fears.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2335" title="funny-pictures-basement-cat-knows-your-fears" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-basement-cat-knows-your-fears.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-basement-cat-knows-your-fears" width="387" height="512" /></a></p>

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		<title>Why Does God Hate Pigs?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/?p=2299</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2300" title="128993549193708521" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521-450x289.jpg" alt="128993549193708521" width="349" height="224" /></a>More to the point, why do Jews and Muslims hate pigs, since god doesn&#8217;t exist. But for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s look at the bible and quran to see what they say about the other white meat.</p>
<p>Question: Are pigs native to the Middle East, then? If no decent jew or muslim could eat them, why were they raised and by whom?</p>
<p>God seems quite fickle about what were were to eat:</p>
<ul>
<li>Adam and Eve are supposed to eat a vegan diet: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html#29" target="_blank">Genesis 1:29</a>: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.</li>
<li>Noah and his sons can eat any living thing, but they have to drain the blood first: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/9.html#2" [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2300" title="128993549193708521" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128993549193708521-450x289.jpg" alt="128993549193708521" width="349" height="224" /></a>More to the point, why do Jews and Muslims hate pigs, since god doesn&#8217;t exist. But for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s look at the bible and quran to see what they say about the other white meat.</p>
<p>Question: Are pigs native to the Middle East, then? If no decent jew or muslim could eat them, why were they raised and by whom?</p>
<p>God seems quite fickle about what were were to eat:</p>
<ul>
<li>Adam and Eve are supposed to eat a vegan diet: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html#29" target="_blank">Genesis 1:29</a>: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.</li>
<li>Noah and his sons can eat any living thing, but they have to drain the blood first: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/9.html#2" target="_blank">Genesis 9:2-4</a>: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.</li>
</ul>
<p>That didn&#8217;t last long because in Deuteronomy and Leviticus he gets into all the things that are forbidden. Here I&#8217;ll highlight the references to swine.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/11.html#7" target="_blank">Leviticus 11:7</a>: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.</li>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/14.html#8" target="_blank">Deuteronomy 14:8</a>: And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.<span id="more-2299"></span></li>
</ul>
<p>In Proverbs, we see more insults to the pig and loose women:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/pr/11.html#22" target="_blank">Proverbs 11:22</a>: As a jewel of gold in a swine&#8217;s snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2301" title="funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1-450x300.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-kitten-tastes-uncooked-bacon1" width="353" height="235" /></a>In Isaiah, eating swineflesh or mice means god will have to kill you:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/is/66.html#16" target="_blank">Isaiah 66:16-17</a>: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. God will &#8220;plead with all flesh&#8221; with fire and sword, &#8220;and the slain of the Lord shall be many.&#8221;  They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine&#8217;s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.</li>
</ul>
<p>What does the new testament say about the pig?</p>
<p>Jesus obviously hated pigs. He killed a whole herd of them in the gospels:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/8.html#28" target="_blank">Matthew 8:32</a>: And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Same story <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/5.html#7" target="_blank">Mark 5:7-17</a>, <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/lk/8.html#26" target="_blank">Luke 8:26-37</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p>In all three accounts Jesus and his posse are asked to leave. Maybe because they were valuable pigs.</p>
<p>Why drive demons into a herd of swine? Isn&#8217;t that wasteful? Who&#8217;s herd was it? Why would anyone be raising pigs if Jews couldn&#8217;t eat them? Why not just zap the demons with laser eyes or something? Jesus was so unimaginative, if you ask me. (Don&#8217;t even get me started about his <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/21.html#19" target="_blank">hatred of a fig tree</a>)</p>
<p>Jesus also insults pigs (as well as dogs):</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/7.html#6" target="_blank">Matthew 7:6</a>: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-bacon-not-done.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2302" title="funny-pictures-bacon-not-done" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-bacon-not-done-450x337.jpg" alt="funny-pictures-bacon-not-done" width="381" height="285" /></a>But then, to confuse matters (we know how consistent and On Message the bible is), Some heavenly voice talks to Peter. It&#8217;s apparently the lord.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/acts/10.html#10" target="_blank">Acts 10:10-16</a>: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.</li>
</ul>
<p>So if god cleans it, then it&#8217;s not common and OK to eat? Oh, these weird visions. Even Peter didn&#8217;t know what the hell it meant.</p>
<p>Now in Romans, we have more conflicting messages:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/14.html#2" target="_blank">Romans 14:2</a>: For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.</li>
</ul>
<p>So if you are a believer you can eat anything, but you&#8217;re weak if you&#8217;re a vegetarian? But wait! There&#8217;s more!</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/14.html#14" target="_blank">Romans 14:14-15</a>: I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.</li>
</ul>
<p>Ok, now nothing is unclean (yay, bacon!) of itself, but if you <em>think</em> it&#8217;s icky, then it&#8217;s icky. Is that like <em>The Secret</em> or something? Your thoughts make things dirty? What is the second verse? Christ died for bacon? No? Well it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me. (Then again I&#8217;m a <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1tim/2.html#11" target="_blank">lowly woman</a> and I can&#8217;t teach or ask questions about the bible, so this is all circumspect anyway.)</p>
<p>One more:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/14.html#21" target="_blank">Romans 14:21</a>: It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.</li>
</ul>
<p>Srsly, WTF? That&#8217;s the same chapter! Am I the only one who finds it confusing?</p>
<p>Speaking of Timothy:</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1tim/4.html#1" target="_blank">1 Timothy 4:1-4</a>: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/swine-flu-origins.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2303" title="swine-flu-origins" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/swine-flu-origins-450x337.png" alt="swine-flu-origins" width="396" height="296" /></a>So some will leave the faith and become vegetarians. I guess that&#8217;s bad? But it clarifies the issue, that now every creature of god is good and not to be refused. Just be thankful about it. I guess they got tired of not eating pork and rabbits and other creatures. Probably because they were low on goats, having sacrificed so many to their god (<a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/1.html#13" target="_blank">who loves the smell of burning flesh</a>.. NOM!)</p>
<p>Now, just to be fair, allah in the quran also hates pigs but only has to mention it twice:</p>
<ul>
<li>The Cow <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/2/index.htm#173" target="_blank">2:173</a>: He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.</li>
</ul>
<p>So, as a side note, islam talks of other gods, then too. But like christianity and judaism, you have to only worship the one hateful god of your people, I guess.</p>
<ul>
<li>The Table Spread <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/5/#3" target="_blank">5:3</a>: Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.</li>
</ul>
<p>Oh, and saying allah is merciful and forgiving in between mentioning all the doom he&#8217;s going to heap on you for any little thing doesn&#8217;t lessen the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance" target="_blank">cognitive dissonance</a> (aka, the CRAZY).</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone! I hope you&#8217;re having a great day!</p>
<p>This is one of those catch-all posts where I have several items to share with you.</p>
<p>Some atheist news and education which is great, and some church news that is horrible. So the score for the day is Atheists 2, churches -100.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bigapplecor.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2145" title="bigapplecor" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bigapplecor.jpg" alt="bigapplecor" width="230" height="333" /></a>First, the United Coalition of Reason is getting ready to post ads on the subway in New York. These are different than the ones they posted for us here in <a href="http://morgantown.unitedcor.org/" target="_blank">Morgantown, WV</a>.</p>
<p>The bus ads say: A million New Yorkers are good without God. Are you? That&#8217;s awesome! <a href="http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/good-without-god-atheist-subway-ads-proclaim/" target="_blank">The NYTimes</a> wrote a long article about it, and our Morgantown billboard even gets a mention!</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;"> <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></p>
<p>Next, I saw a video on <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/10/19/steeped-in-ignorance/" target="_blank">The Friendly Atheist</a> of Neil deGrasse Tyson explaining the Argument from Ignorance. Dr. Tyson really [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone! I hope you&#8217;re having a great day!</p>
<p>This is one of those catch-all posts where I have several items to share with you.</p>
<p>Some atheist news and education which is great, and some church news that is horrible. So the score for the day is Atheists 2, churches -100.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bigapplecor.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2145" title="bigapplecor" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bigapplecor.jpg" alt="bigapplecor" width="230" height="333" /></a>First, the United Coalition of Reason is getting ready to post ads on the subway in New York. These are different than the ones they posted for us here in <a href="http://morgantown.unitedcor.org/" target="_blank">Morgantown, WV</a>.</p>
<p>The bus ads say: A million New Yorkers are good without God. Are you? That&#8217;s awesome! <a href="http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/good-without-god-atheist-subway-ads-proclaim/" target="_blank">The NYTimes</a> wrote a long article about it, and our Morgantown billboard even gets a mention!</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;"> <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></p>
<p>Next, I saw a video on <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/10/19/steeped-in-ignorance/" target="_blank">The Friendly Atheist</a> of Neil deGrasse Tyson explaining the Argument from Ignorance. Dr. Tyson really knows how to explain things. Since I wrote a logical fallacy article about that, I posted it on that page with the other information. Here is the link: <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/10/29/logical-fallacy-4-argumentum-ad-ignorantiam/" target="_blank">Logical Fallacy 4: Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam</a> (Argument from Ignorance)</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;"> <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></p>
<p>Also, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Saramago" target="_blank">Jose Saramago</a>, a man who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1998, spoke at the launch of his new book, &#8220;Cain&#8221;. He said his book, which is an ironic retelling of the biblical story of Cain, wouldn&#8217;t offend catholics &#8220;because <a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/entertainment/6289679/nobel-winner-slams-bible-as-handbook-of-bad-morals/" target="_blank">catholics do not read the bible</a>.&#8221; He added,  &#8220;It might offend jews, but that doesn&#8217;t really matter to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently the catholics and jews are both offended, but what else is new? They have carte blanche to say whatever they want, but when someone says something against religion, they get all pissy. That&#8217;s the hypocrisy of religion and bullies, though. So it&#8217;s not really a shock.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;"> <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></p>
<p>And last but certainly most awful, is some news from Africa. The <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-af-nigeria-child-witches,0,3012806,full.story" target="_blank">LATimes</a> reported today about churches involved in the torture and murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches. Apparently some pastors and people read the bible literally, especially <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ex/22.html#18" target="_blank">Exodus 22:18</a>: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.</p>
<p>Children are tortured or killed by pastors and family members.<span id="more-2133"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>For their part, the families are often extremely poor, and sometimes even relieved to have one less mouth to feed. Poverty, conflict and poor education lay the foundation for accusations, which are then triggered by the death of a relative, the loss of a job or the denunciation of a pastor on the make, said Martin Dawes, a spokesman for the United Nations Children&#8217;s Fund.</p>
<p>&#8220;When communities come under pressure, they look for scapegoats,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It plays into traditional beliefs that someone is responsible for a negative change &#8230; and children are defenseless.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea of witchcraft is hardly new, but it has taken on new life recently partly because of a rapid growth in evangelical Christianity. Campaigners against the practice say around 15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria&#8217;s 36 states over the past decade and around 1,000 have been murdered. In the past month alone, three Nigerian children accused of witchcraft were killed and another three were set on fire.</p>
<p>Nigeria is one of the heartlands of abuse, but hardly the only one: the United Nations Children&#8217;s Fund says tens of thousands of children have been targeted throughout Africa.</p>
<p>&#8230; Churches outnumber schools, clinics and banks put together. Many promise to solve parishioner&#8217;s material worries as well as spiritual ones — eight out of ten Nigerians struggle by on less than $2 a day. &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Pray your way to riches,&#8221; advises Embassy of Christ a few blocks away.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for churches to carve out a congregation with so much competition. So some pastors establish their credentials by accusing children of witchcraft. &#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Margaret Eyekang did when her 8-year-old daughter Abigail was accused by a &#8220;prophet&#8221; from the Apostolic Church, because the girl liked to sleep outside on hot nights — interpreted as meaning she might be flying off to join a coven. A series of exorcisms cost Eyekang eight months&#8217; wages, or US$270. The payments bankrupted her.</p>
<p>Neighbors also attacked her daughter.</p>
<p>&#8220;They beat her with sticks and asked me why I was bringing them a witch child,&#8221; she said. A relative offered Eyekang floor space but Abigail was not welcome and had to sleep in the streets. &#8230;</p>
<p>Helen Ukpabio is one of the few evangelists publicly linked to the denunciation of child witches. She heads the enormous Liberty Gospel church in Calabar, where Nwanaokwo used to live. Ukpabio makes and distributes popular books and DVDs on witchcraft; in one film, a group of child witches pull out a man&#8217;s eyeballs. In another book, she advises that 60 percent of the inability to bear children is caused by witchcraft.</p>
<p>In an interview with the AP, Ukpabio is accompanied by her lawyer, church officials and personal film crew.</p>
<p>&#8220;Witchcraft is real,&#8221; Ukpabio insisted, before denouncing the physical abuse of children. Ukpabio says she performs non-abusive exorcisms for free and was not aware of or responsible for any misinterpretation of her materials.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know about that,&#8221; she declared.</p>
<p>However, she then acknowledged that she had seen a pastor from the Apostolic Church break a girl&#8217;s jaw during an exorcism. Ukpabio said she prayed over her that night and cast out the demon. She did not respond to questions on whether she took the girl to hospital or complained about the injury to church authorities. &#8230;</p>
<p>Just mentioning the name of a church is enough to frighten a group of bubbly children at the home.</p>
<p>&#8220;Please stop the pastors who hurt us,&#8221; said Jerry quietly, touching the scars on his face. &#8220;I believe in God and God knows I am not a witch.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>How repulsive is this? All in the name of god, religion and superstition.</p>
<p>And what about <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/tanzania/3661836/Albinos-hunted-for-body-parts-in-Africa.html" target="_blank">albinos in Africa</a>? Their body parts are considered potent for black magic rituals. They are hunted and murdered by witch doctors for their potions.</p>
<p>How do we get through to people who are indoctrinated into christianity then mix the bible in with their own superstitions, gods and religions? We have yet to &#8220;cure&#8221; people of religion here in America, so maybe it&#8217;s going to be awhile before there&#8217;s any hope for third world countries. Especially since churches proselytize so heavily in them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/128672630451402360.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2146" title="past lives kittehs" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/128672630451402360-450x299.jpg" alt="past lives kittehs" width="450" height="299" /></a>Well, on that unhappy note, I&#8217;ll wrap this up for today. Wait, let&#8217;s have a lolcat to make us smile again, shall we?</p>

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		<title>Vaccines In The News Again</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/?p=2071</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ScaryNeighbor1.jpg" alt="ScaryNeighbor" title="ScaryNeighbor" width="251" height="402" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2075" />The HPV vaccine has <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/29/cervical-cancer-vaccine-hpv" target="_blank">jumped into the news</a> again as the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/28/hpv-cervical-cancer-vaccine-death" target="_blank">UK reports their first death following a vaccination</a>.</p>
<p>The US (and western world in general) has already been struggling with vaccines, and this could make things more difficult in the UK. With all the claims of vaccines linked to autism, <a href="http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html" target="_blank">Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s</a> wild-ass claims, and Muslims stopping the distribution of the polio vaccination &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot of pseudoscience, superstition, and urban legends up against vaccines.</p>
<p>Then there is the religious angle against the HPV vaccine. Because the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpv" target="_blank">human papillomavirus</a> is a sexually transmitted disease, the abstinence-only proponents think giving a girl this vaccine gives her the go-ahead to be promiscuous.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what kind of media attention resurfaces from this; but I can already see the email or Facebook posts flying around again, claiming how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ScaryNeighbor1.jpg" alt="ScaryNeighbor" title="ScaryNeighbor" width="251" height="402" class="alignright size-full wp-image-2075" />The HPV vaccine has <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/29/cervical-cancer-vaccine-hpv" target="_blank">jumped into the news</a> again as the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/28/hpv-cervical-cancer-vaccine-death" target="_blank">UK reports their first death following a vaccination</a>.</p>
<p>The US (and western world in general) has already been struggling with vaccines, and this could make things more difficult in the UK. With all the claims of vaccines linked to autism, <a href="http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html" target="_blank">Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s</a> wild-ass claims, and Muslims stopping the distribution of the polio vaccination &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot of pseudoscience, superstition, and urban legends up against vaccines.</p>
<p>Then there is the religious angle against the HPV vaccine. Because the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpv" target="_blank">human papillomavirus</a> is a sexually transmitted disease, the abstinence-only proponents think giving a girl this vaccine gives her the go-ahead to be promiscuous.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what kind of media attention resurfaces from this; but I can already see the email or Facebook posts flying around again, claiming how bad this vaccine is, and possibly how bad all vaccines are. So in an attempt to arm you with knowledge before you even get that email or see someone post it on Facebook, here are some facts for you to counter with.<br />
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<ul>
<li>As of 01 June 2009, over <b>25 million</b> doses had been administered in the US. Of those, 14,072 (0.05%) reported side effects; meaning 99.95% were free of side effects.
<li>Of those with side effects, 13,087 (93%) were non-serious (like fainting, pain and swelling at the injection site, headache, nausea, and fever); <b><i>all</i></b> common side effects of <b><i>any</i></b> injection.
<li>Of those with side effects, 985 (7%) were serious, and of them 43 deaths were reported. This means of the <b>25 million</b> vaccinated, 0.00172% died after receiving the vaccination (not necessarily because of the vaccination).
<li>Approximately 20 million Americans are currently infected with HPV, and another 6.2 million people become newly infected each year.
<li>At least 50% of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives.
<li>The American Cancer Society estimates 11,070 women diagnosed with cervical cancer in the U.S. in 2008.
<li>HPV-related cancers (estimates from 2008):
<ul>
<li>3,460 women diagnosed with vulvar cancer
<li>2,210 women diagnosed with vaginal and other female genital cancers
<li>1,250 men diagnosed with penile and other male genital cancers
<li>3,050 women and 2,020 men diagnosed with anal cancer</li>
</ul>
<li>According to a 2002 study, approximately 4500 deaths per year in the US, and over 200,000 deaths world wide are results of or linked to a form of cervical cancer.</li>
</ul>
<p>In the US the CDC and the FDA continue to recommend the Gardasil vaccination, because it does prevent 4 types of HPV; and because the risk of adverse side effects is very low.</p>
<p>&#8220;As of June 1, 2009, there have been 43 U.S. reports of death among females who have received the vaccine. Twenty six of these reports have been confirmed, 9 are still under investigation, and 8 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. Confirmed reports are those that scientists have followed up on and have verified the claim. <b>In the 26 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>Besides the links above, I also pulled information from <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cervical+cancer" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>What do you think? Any thoughts? Personal stories? Rants?</p>
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