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		<title>More Groovy Science 6</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big Bear Solar Observatory have the New Solar Telescope (NST) which took the picture you see of our sun. This is the most detailed picture of a sunspot ever taken in visible light. The resolution of the telescope is just 50 miles of the sun&#8217;s surface. Science and technology are amazingly cool. The NST should [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/011-03410-01high.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-3063" title="Sunspot from Big Bear Solar Observatory" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/011-03410-01high-450x450.jpg" alt="" width="367" height="367" /></a>Big Bear Solar Observatory have the New Solar Telescope (NST) which took the picture you see of our sun. This is the most detailed picture of a sunspot ever taken in visible light. The resolution of the telescope is just 50 miles of the sun&#8217;s surface. Science and technology are amazingly cool. The NST should help researchers better understand the complexities of solar weather and its impact on the space climate in our neighborhood of the solar system. <a href="http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/big-bear-solar-observatory-snaps-clearest-ever-pic-solar-flare" target="_blank">Found Here</a>.</p>
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<li>Generation X More Loyal to Religion</li>
<li>Drink Water to Curb Weight Gain? Clinical Trial Confirms Effectiveness of Simple Appetite Control Method</li>
<li>Capacity for Exercise Can Be Inherited: Finding Suggests Pharmaceutical Drugs  Can Be Used to Alter Activity Levels in Humans</li>
<li>Do-Gooders Get Voted Off Island First: People Don&#8217;t Really Like Unselfish Colleagues</li>
<li>&#8216;Charitable&#8217; Behavior Found in Bacteria</li>
<li>Attention, Couch Potatoes! Walking Boosts Brain Connectivity, Function</li>
<li>Starvation Keeps Sleep-Deprived Fly Brain Sharp</li>
<li>Eating Berries May Activate the Brain&#8217;s Natural Housekeeper for Healthy Aging</li>
<li>Roots of Gamblers&#8217; Fallacies and Other Superstitions: Causes of Seemingly Irrational Human Decision-Making</li>
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<a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100826083620.htm" target="_blank">Generation X More Loyal to Religion</a>: Generation X, the set of Americans who came of age in the late 1980s and early 1990s, is often branded as a rules-rejecting, authority-questioning group. But when it comes to religion, new research has revealed that Gen-Xers are surprisingly loyal to their faith &#8212; a finding that also suggests the rising non-religious tide in the United States may be leveling off. A new study showed that Gen-Xers are, in comparison with their Baby Boomer predecessors, far more likely to adhere to their religion. In fact, Boomers are 40 to 50 percent more likely than Gen-Xers to &#8220;disaffiliate&#8221; from their faith. As Generation X continues to grow older, this loyalty may translate into a more stable nation in terms of its religiosity, he said.<br />
Though Generation X&#8217;s religious adherents are relatively durable, the generation as a whole is still more likely than previous ones to be raised with no religious preference, according to the research. Religious non-affiliation in the United States grew from between 6 percent and 8 percent in the 1970s and 1980s to nearly 16 percent by 2006.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100823142929.htm" target="_blank">Drink Water to Curb Weight Gain? Clinical Trial Confirms Effectiveness of Simple Appetite Control Method</a>: Scientists report results of a new clinical trial confirming that just two 8-ounce glasses of water, taken before meals, enables people to shed pounds. &#8220;We found in earlier studies that middle aged and older people who drank two cups of water right before eating a meal ate between 75 and 90 fewer calories during that meal. In this recent study, we found that over the course of 12 weeks, dieters who drank water before meals, three times per day, lost about 5 pounds more than dieters who did not increase their water intake.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;People should drink more water and less sugary, high-calorie drinks. It&#8217;s a simple way to facilitate weight management.&#8221; &#8230;Water may be so effective simply because it fills up the stomach with a substance that has zero calories. People feel fuller as a result, and eat less calorie-containing food during the meal. Increased water consumption may also help people lose weight if they drink it in place of sweetened calorie-containing beverages.<br />
Diet soda pop and other beverages with artificial sweeteners may also help people reduce their calorie intake and lose weight. However, she advised against using beverages sweetened with sugar and high-fructose corn syrup because they are high in calories. A 12-ounce can of regular soda pop, for instance, contains about 10 teaspoons of sugar. Davy noted that that nobody knows exactly how much water people should drink daily. The Institute of Medicine, an agency of The National Academies, which advises the Federal Government on science, says that most healthy people can simply let thirst be their guide. It does not specify exact requirements for water, but set general recommendations for women at about 9 cups of fluids &#8211; from all beverages including water &#8211; each day, and men at about 13 cups of fluids. And it is possible to drink too much water, a situation that can lead to a rare, but serious, condition known as water intoxication.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100901121805.htm" target="_blank">Capacity for Exercise Can Be Inherited: Finding Suggests Pharmaceutical Drugs Can Be Used to Alter Activity Levels in Humans</a>: Biologists have found that voluntary activity, such as daily exercise, is a highly heritable trait that can be passed down genetically to successive generations. Working on mice in the lab, they found that activity level can be enhanced with &#8220;selective breeding&#8221; &#8211; the process of breeding plants and animals for particular genetic traits. Their experiments showed that mice that were bred to be high runners produced high-running offspring, indicating that the offspring had inherited the trait for activity.<br />
&#8220;Our findings have implications for human health. Down the road people could be treated pharmacologically for low activity levels through drugs that targeted specific genes that promote activity. Pharmacological interventions in the future could make it more pleasurable for people to engage in voluntary exercise. Such interventions could also make it less comfortable for people to sit still for long periods of time.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100823101110.htm" target="_blank">Do-Gooders Get Voted Off Island First: People Don&#8217;t Really Like Unselfish Colleagues</a>: You know those goody-two-shoes who volunteer for every task and thanklessly take on the annoying details nobody else wants to deal with? That&#8217;s right: Other people really can&#8217;t stand them. Four separate studies have found that unselfish workers who are the first to throw their hat in the ring are also among those that coworkers most want to, in effect, vote off the island. They found that unselfish colleagues come to be resented because they &#8220;raise the bar&#8221; for what is expected of everyone. As a result, workers feel the new standard will make everyone else look bad. It doesn&#8217;t matter that the overall welfare of the group or the task at hand is better served by someone&#8217;s unselfish behavior. What is objectively good, you see as subjectively bad.&#8221;<br />
The do-gooders are also seen as deviant rule breakers. It&#8217;s as if they&#8217;re giving away Monopoly money so someone can stay in the game, irking other players to no end. The researcher would now like to look at how the do-gooders themselves react to being rejected. While some may indeed have ulterior motives, it&#8217;s more likely they actually are working for the good of an organization. Excluded from the group, they may say, &#8220;enough already&#8221; and simply give up. &#8220;But it&#8217;s also possible that they may actually try even harder.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100901132157.htm" target="_blank">&#8216;Charitable&#8217; Behavior Found in Bacteria</a>: In studying the development of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria, the researchers found that the populations most adept at withstanding doses of antibiotics are those in which a few highly resistant isolates sacrifice their own well being to improve the group&#8217;s overall chance of survival. This bacterial altruism results when the most resistant isolates produce a small molecule called indole. Indole acts as something of a steroid, helping the strain&#8217;s more vulnerable members bulk up enough to fight off the antibiotic onslaught. But while indole may save the group, its production takes a toll on the fitness level of the individual isolates that produce it. &#8220;We weren&#8217;t expecting to find this. Typically, you would expect only the resistant strains to survive, with the susceptible ones dying off in the face of antibiotic stress. We were quite surprised to find the weak strains not only surviving, but thriving.&#8221; The fact that the full complexity of bacteria strains can now be more accurately understood has significant ramifications for the medical community. &#8220;Now, when we measure the resistance in a population, we&#8217;ll know that it may be tricking us. We&#8217;ll know that even an isolate that shows no resistance can put up a stronger battle against antibiotics thanks to its buddies.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100826141327.htm" target="_blank">Attention, Couch Potatoes! Walking Boosts Brain Connectivity, Function</a>: Even moderate exercise &#8212; in this case walking at one&#8217;s own pace for 40 minutes three times a week &#8212; can enhance the connectivity of important brain circuits, combat declines in brain function associated with aging and increase performance on cognitive tasks. Previous studies have found that aerobic exercise can enhance the function of specific brain structures, Kramer said. This study shows that even moderate aerobic exercise also improves the coordination of important brain networks. &#8220;The higher the connectivity, the better the performance on some of these cognitive tasks, especially the ones we call executive control tasks &#8212; things like planning, scheduling, dealing with ambiguity, working memory and multitasking.&#8221; These are the very skills that tend to decline with aging.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100831172443.htm" target="_blank">Starvation Keeps Sleep-Deprived Fly Brain Sharp</a>: As anyone who has ever struggled to keep his or her eyes open after a big meal knows, eating can induce sleepiness. New research in fruit flies suggests that, conversely, being hungry may provide a way to stay awake without feeling groggy or mentally challenged. &#8230;The findings add a new wrinkle to the complex relationship between sleep and dietary metabolism. Scientists recognized about a decade ago that inadequate sleep results in obesity and contributes to the development of diabetes and coronary disease. Until now, no one had connected genes linked to lipids with regulation of the need for sleep. Like humans, flies deprived of sleep one day will try to make up for it by sleeping more the next day, a phenomenon referred to as sleep debt. Sleep-deprived flies also perform poorly on a simple test of learning ability.<br />
Studies in other labs have shown that starvation or, in the case of human volunteers, fasting leads to less sleep. More recent research has also shown that starvation can change the activity levels of genes that manage storage and use of lipids. Scientists tested the starving, sleepless flies for two markers of sleep debt: an enzyme in saliva and the flies&#8217; ability to learn to associate a light with an unpleasant stimulus. Both tests showed that the starving flies were not getting sleepy. &#8220;From an evolutionary perspective, this makes sense. If you&#8217;re starving, you want to make sure you&#8217;re on the top of your game cognitively, to improve your chances of finding food rather than becoming food for someone else.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100823142927.htm" target="_blank">Eating Berries May Activate the Brain&#8217;s Natural Housekeeper for Healthy Aging</a>: Scientists have reported the first evidence that eating blueberries, strawberries, and acai berries may help the aging brain stay healthy in a crucial but previously unrecognized way. Their study concluded that berries, and possibly walnuts, activate the brain&#8217;s natural &#8220;housekeeper&#8221; mechanism, which cleans up and recycles toxic proteins linked to age-related memory loss and other mental decline. Previous research suggested that one factor involved in aging is a steady decline in the body&#8217;s ability to protect itself against inflammation and oxidative damage. This leaves people vulnerable to degenerative brain diseases, heart disease, cancer, and other age-related disorders. &#8220;The good news is that natural compounds called polyphenolics found in fruits, vegetables and nuts have an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effect that may protect against age-associated decline.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;Their past studies, for instance, showed that old laboratory rats fed for two months on diets containing 2 percent high-antioxidant strawberry, blueberry, or blackberry extract showed a reversal of age-related deficits in nerve function and behavior that involves learning and remembering. In the new research, they focused on another reason why nerve function declines with aging. It involves a reduction in the brain&#8217;s natural house-cleaning process. Cells called microglia are the housekeepers. In a process called autophagy, they remove and recycle biochemical debris that otherwise would interfere with brain function. &#8220;But in aging, microglia fail to do their work, and debris builds up. In addition, the microglia become over-activated and actually begin to damage healthy cells in the brain. Our research suggests that the polyphenolics in berries have a rescuing effect. They seem to restore the normal housekeeping function. These findings are the first to show these effects of berries.&#8221;<br />
The study provides further evidence to eat foods rich in polyphenolics. Although berries and walnuts are rich sources, many other fruits and vegetables contain these chemicals ― especially those with deep red, orange, or blue colors. Those colors come from pigments termed anthocyanins that are good antioxidants. He emphasized the importance of consuming the whole fruit, which contains the full range of hundreds of healthful chemicals. Frozen berries, which are available year round, also are excellent sources of polyphenolics.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100830152534.htm" target="_blank">Roots of Gamblers&#8217; Fallacies and Other Superstitions: Causes of Seemingly Irrational Human Decision-Making</a>: Gamblers who think they have a &#8220;hot hand,&#8221; only to end up walking away with a loss, may nonetheless be making &#8220;rational&#8221; decisions. The study finds that because humans are making decisions based on how we think the world works, if erroneous beliefs are held, it can result in behavior that looks distinctly irrational. &#8220;The overarching idea is that there is typically structure in the world, and it makes sense that when we make decisions, we try to understand the structure in order to exploit it. One of the simplest kinds of &#8216;structure&#8217; is when the outcome that just occurred tells you something about what is likely to happen next. Where people go astray is when they base their decisions on beliefs that are different than what is actually present in the world. In the coin example, if you toss a coin five times and all five times are heads, should you pick heads or tails on the next flip? Assuming the coin is fair, it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; the five previous heads don&#8217;t change the probability of heads on the next flip &#8211; it&#8217;s still 50 percent &#8211; but people nevertheless act as though those previous flips influence the next one.&#8221;<br />
When things are actually independent over time, meaning they don&#8217;t have any structure, people will interpret results through possible structures, a way of thinking often seen among gamblers. For example, gamblers who win three hands in a row, may believe themselves to be &#8220;hot&#8221; and thus more likely to win the next hand. The research showed that similar behaviors are seen even in an optimal, fully rational computer learner given similar incorrect beliefs about the world. Furthermore, when the context of the task was changed so that subjects understood that the outcomes were actually independent, a drastic shift in their behavior was noted, with subjects all doing the &#8220;right&#8221; thing for the way the world actually worked. &#8220;This demonstrates that given the right world model, humans are more than capable of easily learning to make optimal decisions.&#8221;</p>

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		<title>People Trust Peers, Not Science</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 05:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is depressing, but not surprising, I guess. Three psychological studies have come out recently all saying about the same thing. People trust their peers and tend to distrust authority (the government) and scientific information. I heard about this on The Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe, episode 254, from May 26th. If you want to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/funny-pictures-cat-asks-if-you-are-ok.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2909" title="funny-pictures-cat-asks-if-you-are-ok" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/funny-pictures-cat-asks-if-you-are-ok.jpg" alt="" width="377" height="301" /></a>This is depressing, but not surprising, I guess. Three psychological studies have come out recently all saying about the same thing. People trust their peers and tend to distrust authority (the government) and scientific information.</p>
<p>I heard about this on The Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe, <a href="http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1&amp;pid=254" target="_blank">episode 254</a>, from May 26th. If you want to listen to Dr. Steven Novella talk about the three studies, start around the 23:30 minute mark. This segment goes to about 35:20, but the whole episode is good, of course.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychological-barriers-facing-mmr.html" target="_blank">attitudes of parents toward the MMR vaccine and autism</a>: The study concluded that parents had a significant bias toward believing information that they heard from other parents. The parents were mostly affected by their peers, and did not seem to be affected at all by what the scientific evidence said, and they seemed to inherently distrust information that came from the government. Not a surprising result.</p>
<p>Raising a general level of scientific literacy would be the best thing we could do to help this mess we&#8217;re in. My fear is that people are so anti-science and anti-intelligence these days that I don&#8217;t know how we could go about it, that people aren&#8217;t interested in learning anything that goes against their narrow world views. Another thing we could do (as recommended by Steven) is to change regulation so that it&#8217;s rational and evidence-based, not based on public opinion.<span id="more-2907"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.uiowa.edu/~grpproc/crisp/crisp15_3.pdf" target="_blank">Popular Appeal vs Scientific Belief study using ESP</a>: It concluded that people are much more likely to accept ESP based on whether they were told it was popular. And, when they were told that science rejects it versus accepts it, they were more likely to accept ESP if they were told scientists reject it. So they went against the scientific consensus.</p>
<p>The Rogues talked briefly about Social Norming, where you use peer pressure of contemporaries instead of scare tactics from authority figures on people (teens, youth, etc) to try to get kids or people to not do something harmful, like smoking or drugs. They also mentioned Scared Straight which didn&#8217;t work. People are influenced by social pressure, not rational arguments.</p>
<p>The last study (no working link): If people were presented with scientific evidence which dis-confirmed something they already believed, their response to that generally was to conclude that science itself is untrustworthy. Not just the science that they are being presented (in the study), but the scientific method in general. Therefore confronting people with tightly held beliefs with the scientific evidence, not only does that not work, it turns them off to science in general, even about unrelated topics. It has a huge negative influence.</p>
<p>A related study found that if you tell somebody, &#8220;here&#8217;s a myth and the myth is wrong&#8221;, three weeks later, a significant percentage of people remember the myth as being correct.</p>
<p>To me, science is so amazing and wonderful and exciting. Sure, the daily experiments can be dry and tedious, but it&#8217;s all worth it when the results come in. Discovery, observation, exploration, and the creation of new technologies and other neat things that improve our lives or somehow make life better in this universe, well that&#8217;s all just fantastic. Sure, we have to be careful to keep in mind that human beings are doing the science and can make mistakes. But that&#8217;s where peer review comes in, and other scientists verifying experiments, results and evidence.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not perfect, but it&#8217;s the best thing we have to understand the universe and get the most out of our precious time in this world. I wish I could convey the excitement I get just walking through my yard, which I&#8217;ve seen for almost 6 years, when I find a new insect or see some plant that wasn&#8217;t there last year. That&#8217;s just mere observation. That&#8217;s not even experimentation or research, and yet still it&#8217;s exciting (ok, I&#8217;m a science geek, but that&#8217;s compliment, not an insult!)</p>
<p>But I guess if you don&#8217;t have science and the idea that the universe is a marvelous place in your mind, then how can we interest you? How can we make science exciting and fascinating and part of everyone&#8217;s lives? How can we show people that they use the scientific method in some form in their daily lives? Is there any way to turn things around and make science and scientific discovery fun and cool and exciting?</p>

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		<title>What Level Of Woo Would Make Someone Undateable?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a question for you. What level of woo would make someone undateable? What about unfriendable? Do you have a limit that you&#8217;ve drawn in your life or do you have a lot of woo woo people around you that you interact with? How do you get on with them? Do you find it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/funny-pictures-cat-ghost-kitteh.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2846" title="funny-pictures-cat-ghost-kitteh" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/funny-pictures-cat-ghost-kitteh-337x450.jpg" alt="" width="309" height="413" /></a>Here is a question for you. What level of woo would make someone undateable? What about unfriendable? Do you have a limit that you&#8217;ve drawn in your life or do you have a lot of woo woo people around you that you interact with? How do you get on with them? Do you find it difficult? Do you argue with them or are you silent about your woo disbelief?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepdic.com/woowoo.html" target="_blank">Woo</a> can be defined as anything supernatural, irrational or lacking in evidence. So it would include religion and any kind of pseudoscience.</p>
<p>On a side note, is there anything that could be defined as woo that you still believe in? If so, why?</p>
<p>For me, I&#8217;ve somehow whittled down my friend list from all woo-lovers to all skeptical atheists. I didn&#8217;t do this deliberately, but I guess with my skeptical talk and constant questioning (not aggressively, but I really did question all the woo I previously embraced), my woo-loving friends all went their separate ways and avoided me within months of when my quest for knowledge began.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have many friends for awhile but then found the <a href="http://www.morgantownatheists.com/" target="_blank">Morgantown Atheists</a> where I found several people that have become good friends. Also, having HDC has let me meet new people who were rather like-minded as well.</p>
<p>With extended family, I still have to deal with woo, both religious and supernatural. They know Butch (my awesome husband) and I are die-hard atheists so we have come to an unspoken agreement that we don&#8217;t talk about religion. Or politics just to be safe and have nice dinners together. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m lucky in most respects. My skeptical atheist friends keep things lively by being smart and reason-based (most of the time, we&#8217;re not perfect, of course). And my extended family gives me an occasional glimpse into woo-land so I get to see what the majority of people are dealing with and believing. It&#8217;s enough.</p>
<p><span id="more-2843"></span>I don&#8217;t avoid anyone based on their woo. But I tend to gently state my skepticism when I can so that I am not being dishonest about myself. Then people who are wrapped in woo tend to avoid me, not the other way around. I can&#8217;t emphasize enough that I am very nice about it, not aggressive or &#8220;militant&#8221; at all. I&#8217;m probably way <em>too</em> nice about it. The other evening, I let my sister-in-law go on about her visit to a psychic and only said two things about how cold readings work. When the other sister-in-law said the psychic (a 95 year old woman) insisted she give her her hand (she didn&#8217;t want a reading) and told her to never drive, to dump her boyfriend (who she just moved in with and is very happy with) and other negative things, I said a few things then. Mainly that it&#8217;s all made up and it&#8217;s nonsense and don&#8217;t let that upset her. But even though she said it was no big deal, she talked about it all night. I got the impression it really bothered her.</p>
<p>As you may know, I&#8217;m happily married to Butch (we&#8217;ve been together for 15 years). So I&#8217;m not looking to date anyone, of course. But if I did have to date, I think I would be pretty strict about how much woo my partner could be into and still be in a relationship with me. I think it would be such a clash of belief and skepticism that it would cause problems. I think I&#8217;d have issues with it.</p>
<p>Let us know what you think in the comments!</p>

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		<title>Justice Late Is Better Than None At All</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The AP has an article titled Britain bans doctor who linked autism to vaccine. This is great news! My first question is why it took Britain so long to make such a move. My second concern is that he will just come back over here where he is worshiped by idiots like McCarthy and her [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/7b34bd15-41d4-4b1f-90db-50220881a70b.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2815" title="Crazy Cat Is Crazy" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/7b34bd15-41d4-4b1f-90db-50220881a70b-450x337.jpg" alt="" width="337" height="252" /></a>The AP has an article titled <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ikJETNVBSJw_7bjEVDbFBwncE0EAD9FTFOEG0" target="_blank">Britain bans doctor who linked autism to vaccine</a>.</p>
<p>This is great news! My first question is why it took Britain so long to  make such a move. My second concern is that he will just come back over  here where he is worshiped by idiots like McCarthy and her ilk. And my  third concern is people will still worship him and continue to avoid  getting their children properly vaccinated, causing suffering and even  death for innocent kids everywhere.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">LONDON — The doctor whose research linking autism and the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella influenced millions of parents to refuse the shot for their children was banned Monday from practicing medicine in his native Britain.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Dr. Andrew Wakefield&#8217;s 1998 study was discredited — but vaccination rates have never fully recovered and he continues to enjoy a vocal following, helped in the U.S. by endorsements from celebrities like Jim Carrey and <a href="http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html" target="_blank">Jenny McCarthy</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;That is Andrew Wakefield&#8217;s legacy,&#8221; said Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at the Children&#8217;s Hospital of Philadelphia. &#8220;The hospitalizations and deaths of children from measles who could have easily avoided the disease.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Wakefield&#8217;s discredited theories had a tremendous impact in the U.S., Offit said, adding: &#8220;He gave heft to the notion that vaccines in general cause autism.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">In Britain, Wakefield&#8217;s research led to a huge decline in the number of children receiving the MMR vaccine: from 95 percent in 1995 — enough to prevent measles outbreaks — to 50 percent in parts of London in the early 2000s. Rates have begun to recover, though not enough to prevent outbreaks. In 2006, a 13-year-old boy became the first person to die from measles in Britain in 14 years.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;The false suggestion of a link between autism and the MMR vaccine has done untold damage to the UK vaccination program,&#8221; said Terence Stephenson, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. &#8220;Overwhelming scientific evidence shows that it is safe.&#8221;<span id="more-2814"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">On Monday, Britain&#8217;s General Medical Council, which licenses and oversees doctors, found Wakefield guilty of serious professional misconduct and stripped him of the right to practice medicine in the U.K. Wakefield said he plans to appeal the ruling, which takes effect within 28 days.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The council was acting on a finding in January that Wakefield and two other doctors showed a &#8220;callous disregard&#8221; for the children in their study, published in 1998 in the medical journal Lancet. The medical body said Wakefield took blood samples from children at his son&#8217;s birthday party, paying them 5 pounds (about $7.20) each and later joked about the incident.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The study has since been widely rejected. From 1998-2004, studies in journals including the Lancet, the New England Journal of Medicine, Pediatrics and BMJ published papers showing no link between autism and the measles vaccine.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Wakefield moved to the U.S. in 2004 and set up an autism research center in Austin, Texas, where he gained a wide following despite being unlicensed as a doctor there and facing skepticism from the medical community. He quit earlier this year.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Offit said he doubted Britain&#8217;s decision to strip the 53-year-old Wakefield of his medical license would convince many parents that vaccines are safe.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;He&#8217;s become almost like a Christ-like figure and it doesn&#8217;t matter that science has proven him wrong,&#8221; Offit said. &#8220;He is a hero for parents who think no one else is listening to them.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">In Monday&#8217;s ruling, the medical council said Wakefield abused his position as a doctor and &#8220;brought the medical profession into disrepute.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">At the time of his study, Wakefield was working as a gastroenterologist at London&#8217;s Royal Free Hospital and did not have approval for the research. The study suggested autistic children had a bowel disease and raised the possibility of a link between autism and vaccines. He had also been paid to advise lawyers representing parents who believed their children had been hurt by the MMR vaccine.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Ten of the study&#8217;s authors later renounced its conclusions and it was retracted by the Lancet in February.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">At least a dozen British medical associations, including the Royal College of Physicians, the Medical Research Council and the Wellcome Trust have issued statements verifying the safety of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">This verdict is not about (the measles) vaccine,&#8221; said Adam Finn, a professor of pediatrics at the University of Bristol Medical School. &#8220;We all now know that the vaccine is remarkably safe and enormously effective&#8230; We badly need to put this right for the sake of our own children and children worldwide.&#8221;</p>

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		<title>The Secret Is Still Bullshit</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Secret, which is all about the Law of Attraction (not a real law, or even real), is still bullshit. But Elizabeth found a great video from Australia that will make you laugh. It explains how The Secret works. It&#8217;s about 7 minutes long: Notice how in the demo clips it&#8217;s always about some materialistic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Secret, which is all about the Law of Attraction (not a real law, or even real), is <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/">still bullshit</a>. But Elizabeth found <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pirdx5rk2iQ" target="_blank">a great video</a> from Australia that will make you laugh. It explains how The Secret works. It&#8217;s about 7 minutes long:</p>
<p><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="480" height="385" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Pirdx5rk2iQ&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="480" height="385" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Pirdx5rk2iQ&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>
<p>Notice how in the demo clips it&#8217;s always about some materialistic thing like a bike or a necklace? How shallow and self-serving! Why don&#8217;t all believers in this stupid lie wish for world peace or clean drinking water for everyone? Or everyone to be disease free? Instead they have to have a new Shiny. Pathetic!</p>
<p>Oh, and see the waves of rays coming out of the peoples&#8217; heads? That doesn&#8217;t happen. That&#8217;s a special effect. So when you wish for something your thoughts don&#8217;t actually leave your head. Just in case you were wondering. Don&#8217;t believe me? Ask a neuroscientist. They have proof your thoughts don&#8217;t leave your head by magic (they only leave your head when you speak, write something down or perform an action based on those thoughts)</p>
<p>Oh OH! And when you ask for something, then believe it&#8217;s already yours, there&#8217;s no invisible man in the sky that says to you, &#8220;Your wish is my command.&#8221; You know that, right? The Universe doesn&#8217;t have a log of every time you wish for that new Ferrari. It doesn&#8217;t wait for the wish requests to reach 1,000 before it has it shipped to you. (Don&#8217;t move your house because it will get delivered to your old address! LOL!)</p>
<p>Other posts about The Secret:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/01/12/the-law-of-attraction-and-the-secret-are-bullshit/">The Law Of Attraction &#8211; And The Secret &#8211; Are Bullshit</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/10/the-secret-divides/">The Secret Divides</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2010/01/14/the-secret-divides-part-2/">The Secret Divides Part 2</a></li>
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	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/12/12/belief-unbelief-scientific-method/" title="Belief, Unbelief and The Scientific Method (December 12, 2008)">Belief, Unbelief and The Scientific Method</a> (24)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/28/how-far-ive-come/" title="How Far I&#8217;ve Come! (July 28, 2009)">How Far I&#8217;ve Come!</a> (7)</li>
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		<title>Information IS Beautiful!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stumbling around the interwebs, I found a site that I think you might love. It&#8217;s called Information is Beautiful. David McCandless takes all kinds of data and ideas and visualizes it in appealing ways. The one I found that I thought was amazing was Snake Oil?: Scientific evidence for popular health supplements. (That link takes [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/" target="_blank"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2596" title="Snakeoil1" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Snakeoil1.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="509" /></a>Stumbling around the interwebs, I found a site that I think you might love. It&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/" target="_blank">Information is Beautiful</a>. David McCandless takes all kinds of data and ideas and visualizes it in appealing ways.</p>
<p>The one I found that I thought was amazing was <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/" target="_blank">Snake Oil</a>?: Scientific evidence for popular health supplements. (That link takes you to the interactive version. See the <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/snake-oil-supplements/" target="_blank">static version here</a>.) On the side is a show me button that flies out a list of  uses and types of supplements. Choose what you&#8217;re interested in to filter the results. The bigger the bubble, the more popular the supplement is. The higher on the chart, the more evidence there is that it works. Notice how many bubbles are below the Worth It line. Remember, the supplements are only good for the conditions listed inside the bubble, which you can see by hovering over it.</p>
<p>What David says about the evidence:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">We only considered large, human, randomized placebo-controlled trials in our data scrape – wherever possible. No animal trials. No cell studies. Many of the health claims made by the $23 billion supplements industry are based on non-human trials. We wanted to cut through that.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">This piece was doggedly researched by myself, and researchers Pearl Doughty-White and Alexia Wdowski. We looked at the abstracts of over 1500 studies on PubMed (run by US National Library Of Medicine) and Cochrane.org (which hosts meta-studies of scientific research). It took us several months to seek out the evidence – or lack of.</p>
<p>The information is generated from a <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aqe2P9sYhZ2ndFRKaU1FaWVvOEJiV2NwZ0JHck12X1E&amp;hl=en_GB" target="_blank">Google Doc</a>, so when new research comes out it can be easily updated. Very cool indeed. The data has web addresses to the source of the research so you can see it for yourself. It&#8217;s not just anecdotal evidence.</p>
<p>David also has a chart on <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/caffeine-and-calories/" target="_blank">caffeine and calories</a>. He even shows how much exercise it will take to work off that large iced mocha you had for breakfast.</p>
<p>He does two interesting charts about politics. The Left vs the Right. A <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/leftvright_world.html" target="_blank">world version</a> and an <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/leftvright_US.html" target="_blank">American version</a>. These are chock full of information.</p>
<p>His <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/2012-the-end-of-the-world/" target="_blank">2012 chart</a> is also great. The left describes the believers, the right describes the skeptics, with information refuting what the believers say. Sources are listed at the bottom, and are available in a <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmCeWwNKr6FmdDJnMmtSY3JGZF9GNlUzRTN6SEMyNWc&amp;hl=en" target="_blank">Google Doc</a>.</p>
<p>His <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/climate-change-deniers-vs-the-consensus/" target="_blank">climate change chart</a> shows global warming deniers vs the scientific consensus.</p>
<p>He has many more on his site as well. That&#8217;s just a few of my favorites.</p>

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		<description><![CDATA[A person named Paul commented on HDC on GMNightmare&#8217;s deconversion story and I thought they were interesting questions. Both Johnny and GMNightmare already gave long answers, also worth noting, instead of letting it get lost in comments. And I added my 2 cents on at the bottom. Here is Paul&#8217;s comment: I have a couple [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A person named <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/03/rise-of-the-gnostic-atheist-a-deconversion-story/comment-page-1/#comment-5230">Paul commented</a> on HDC on <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/03/rise-of-the-gnostic-atheist-a-deconversion-story/">GMNightmare&#8217;s deconversion story</a> and I thought they were interesting questions. Both Johnny and GMNightmare already gave long answers, also worth noting, instead of letting it get lost in comments. And I added my 2 cents on at the bottom. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><img class="size-medium wp-image-2382 aligncenter" title="128940816722576766" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/128940816722576766-450x370.jpg" alt="" width="366" height="301" /></p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/03/rise-of-the-gnostic-atheist-a-deconversion-story/comment-page-1/#comment-5230">Paul&#8217;s comment</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have a couple of questions that I would like answered, and you seem like the type to answer questions. First of all, what are your thoughts on supernatural phenomena (weird stuff people claim happens, i.e., someone’s ear being cut off, and growing back on)? Is it all just a big hoax?</p>
<p>Secondly, I know that evolution details how the earth came to it’s present state, and the big bang, (do they still call it that?) started all that, but what could have caused the big bang? And how did whatever caused the big bang come into existence? As far as I know, science clearly states that nothing can be infinite, and all things have an end and a beginning. So, if nothing is infinite, than how did the universe get started? Wouldn’t something had to have caused time to exist first, something that wasn’t governed by time, and so couldn’t even be described by adjectives like infinite?</p>
<p>I just have these questions, and no one can really answer them, except with some lame thing like “It just goes on and on”. And what does happen when we die? I know our bodies clearly decompose, we can see that much easily.</p>
<p>But what about our consciousness? It seems to me that consciousness is somewhat of a mystery in and of itself. Scientists can make a body, and they can put blood and oxygen in it, but yet they can’t make it live? So, if a consciousness isn’t something like a body, something that decomposes, what happens when the consciousness dies? Does it really just cease to exist? I can’t even imagine not existing. It just seems so foreign, to not exist.</p>
<p>Lastly, I don’t really get the term “gnostic atheist”. From what I’ve read, gnostics claim to “know” something, that other people don’t. So, if you’re a gnostic atheist, does that just mean that you “know” hands down, that there is not, and has never been, any kind of god?</p></blockquote>
<p>First, here is <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/03/rise-of-the-gnostic-atheist-a-deconversion-story/comment-page-1/#comment-5235">Johnny&#8217;s reply</a>:</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I’m sure GMN will have a response; but I just feel the desire to chime in.<span id="more-2381"></span></p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>First of all, what are your thoughts on supernatural phenomena (weird stuff people claim happens, i.e., someone’s ear being cut off, and growing back on)? Is it all just a big hoax?</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Do you have an actual documented example of something you would consider supernatural phenomena? Unless there is documented studies, physical evidence, or repeatable through scientific testing – its pretty much <em>a big hoax</em>.</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>Secondly, I know that evolution details how the earth came to it’s present state, and the big bang, (do they still call it that?) started all that, but what could have caused the big bang?</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Huge misconception here. Evolution DOES NOT explain the Big Bang and/or Abiogenesis — <a rel="nofollow" href="../2009/06/02/big-bang-abiogenesis-and-evolution/" target="_blank">here’s a post</a> with three short videos to help understand the difference.</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>And how did whatever caused the big bang come into existence? As far as I know, science clearly states that nothing can be infinite, and all things have an end and a beginning. So, if nothing is infinite, than how did the universe get started? Wouldn’t something had to have caused time to exist first, something that wasn’t governed by time, and so couldn’t even be described by adjectives like infinite?</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Science does not know all the details of the Big Bang and the singularity; but we know more and more all the time. Instead of assigning supernatural properties to it, science continues to seek answers; science knows it doesn’t have all the answers, but is doing everything possible to answer as many questions as it can.</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>And what does happen when we die? I know our bodies clearly decompose, we can see that much easily. But what about our consciousness?</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">We don’t know. But all evidence indicates that nothing happens. Consciousness ceases to exist when the brain dies. We have no evidence of something ‘on the other side’ – no one has come back to tell us or prove to us that ‘the other side’ exists. Thus the easiest, and most logical explanation is that there is no ‘other side.’</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2383" title="dove of peace" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/doveofpeace-450x328.jpg" alt="" width="388" height="283" />And here is <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/03/rise-of-the-gnostic-atheist-a-deconversion-story/comment-page-1/#comment-5236">GMNightmare&#8217;s reply</a>:</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Ah, now that is a respectful post. Thank you. I’ve actually been meaning to rewrite my article to make it a little less aggressive and explain some more, so answering your questions will help guide that.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.1) Supernatural phenomena</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I’ll cover aspects of ghosts and such first. Most of these, mysterious circumstances are just that, mysterious. People are quick to jump to conclusions, that this weird thing they couldn’t explain must be a ghost. Quite often than not, it’s just their mind jumping to conclusions, natural instincts (*mind speak* hey hey, I heard a noise, something might be there that could eat us and it’s dark and I can’t see very well, run!) If you don’t know what caused it, you can’t then claim it to be a ghost did it. I mean, it was just claimed you don’t know!</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And now we’ll cover medical miracles. I have never seen evidence of one. Many people like to claim, oh, they survived a deadly disease it’s a miracle, but that makes no sense. Some people do make it past deadly diseases, by coincidence or luck. There are always survivors, people do survive cancer naturally to a small percentage. Being in that small percentage is nothing magical.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And what about all the people who didn’t? Does god just choose who he wants to save from illness if this is what really happened? Here’s the real question in regard to this: why won’t god heal amputees? There has never been a case of an amputee being healed, now that would be a real miracle. There is a whole website completely devoted to that question, just type it into google.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.2) Evolution</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I want to quickly say something over this, just in case we have a misconception here. Evolution only says what is happening to life, it doesn’t explain how life originated. Abiogenesis and other theories like that cover how life originated from chemical cocktails.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Now I’m going to jumble up your questions a bit to make them easier to answer, they build upon one another.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.3) “Science cleary states that nothing can be infinite, and all things have a beginning”</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I’m sorry to say, but science does not say that. Okay, I’m not really sorry, but nowhere does science actually say that. Now I’m going to cover some advanced thinking here, so try to stay with me here:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Space is infinite? No. Although it’s commonly said to, what is space? Nothing. Space = nothing, you can’t have infinite of something that doesn’t exist. And this brings us to what is really said:<br />
There is a finite amount of energy in the universe. There is a finite amount of stuff, in an unbound container. god breaks this, as god isn’t nothing, he must be stuff, and it’s claimed he is everywhere in the unbound container.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Yeah, that unbound container can be a tricky concept. But truthfully, we really don’t know if it’s unbound or not, because we haven’t been there… Does space somehow bend back into itself? We really don’t know. Yeah, it can be hard to fathom that space can just continue on forever, but it’s ridiculous to say that some magical being exists everywhere (doesn’t that just make it worse?)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And, energy does not have a beginning. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. This is one of the primary laws of the universe. It may change forms, but it’ll always be there and can be assumed following all evidence always has. Now we’re going to use this in the following questions…</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.4) Causer of the Big Bang</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The cause of the Big Bang was a bunch of energy, compressed greatly. The energy then went kabooie and expanded out. That’s what caused it, the energy that as I had said, is naturally believed to have always existed and always will.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Beyond that, we do not really know. Using the above knowledge, we could say it has just always liked to repeat the course, but can we ever be 100% sure? Not really.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But remember what I said about supernatural occurrences with ghosts? Claiming we don’t know, then saying god did it… it was just claimed you don’t know!</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.5) Time</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Time doesn’t actually exist how you think of it. Time is only a measurement, an illusion because you remember what actions you’ve previously taken. It measures decay… and it’s completely arbitrary (IE, you could consider 2.5 seconds to be 1 second). It’s relative, due to decay being affected by the speed of particles.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">There was no start of time, time doesn’t really exist. Just like a gallon doesn’t really exist, it’s nothing more than a tool to help manage our life and share information.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">So we may like to measure our lives in our notion of time. And for us, yes, we have a beginning and end. But as I said earlier, pure energy does not have those constraints. So if you were looking for something not constrained by “time” as it where, energy is it.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.6) Consciousness</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Very much controlled by physical reactions in the brain. I give you diseases like alzheimers. Physical damage damages our consciousness, it is very much tied down. And yes, we’ve as a species developed some marvelous consciousnesses, and we still have very much to learn about.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But as I like to keep saying, claiming knowledge because we lack knowledge… is baseless. Creating life took billions upon billions of years, it’s completely understandable that we can’t replicate it in a lab over an incredibly short period of time when we don’t even know that much about it!</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.7) Existing</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Of course you can’t imagine not existing, your existing. It’s rather a little silly, not that I haven’t tried mind you. Just think about before you were born. Boom, there you go. You know you didn’t exist before you were born, no pain or hardships right? Besides, existing forever would get really boring after a trillion years or so. Hell, some can’t even last 100 without killing themselves off.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Q.8) Gnostic atheism</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">“So, if you’re a gnostic atheist, does that just mean that you “know” hands down, that there is not, and has never been, any kind of god?”</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Yes.  And I quote from my article:</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>This brings us to the question, what is knowledge? Knowing does not mean truth; it means you regard it as true. Knowing is paradoxical in its nature, how can anything be known with exact certainty? It can’t, but for the sake of progress we have to start at some point.</p>
<p>I’ve argued against countless excuses for god. I’ve found fundamental flaws against any kind of omni-ability. I’ve argued against not only the existence but the uselessness of a creator. Essentially, I’ve argued if god cannot be known in this reality then god has no basis in this reality. I’ve even argued the word classification of the word god even.</p>
<p>All and all, perhaps it’s just more honest. I have found flaws and argued against all types of gods, how much more must it take to know? I’ve argued against the whole notion, reason, and existence of god… why can I not be certain there is no god?</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The moment you define the term god, is the moment I’ll pick it apart.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2384" title="funny-pictures-cat-explains-meaning-of-life" src="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny-pictures-cat-explains-meaning-of-life-298x450.jpg" alt="" width="298" height="450" />~</p>
<p><em><strong>And then there was little ol&#8217; Neece.</strong></em> I think I want to say a few words on these questions too:</p>
<p>1. Supernatural phenomena: There is zero evidence of any kind of supernatural of any sort in the known universe. Everything that we have observed scientifically in this world is completely natural. That&#8217;s not to say that people don&#8217;t have weird experiences that they can&#8217;t explain given the little bit of data they&#8217;ve got from an event. But no one has ever grown back an ear that has been cut off, or a limb. As GMN says, go to the website <a href="http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/" target="_blank">Why Won&#8217;t God Heal Amputees?</a> God doesn&#8217;t because he doesn&#8217;t exist and humans have never evolved the ability to regenerate limbs. It&#8217;s usually safe to rule out anecdotal evidence as simply a story; even if the person telling it believes it, it doesn&#8217;t make it factual. It&#8217;s also the case that the human mind fills in the gaps as it processes huge amounts of data at any given instant. This leads to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia" target="_blank">pareidolia</a> which can lead to thinking you&#8217;ve seen or heard something that really wasn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>2. I think the guys covered the Big Bang pretty well. I think at this point the main theory is that the Big Bang started as a Singularity where all matter was compressed into a teeny little speck and then expanded rapidly outward. Of course, they are still studying and gathering more data in the cosmos to verify this theory. But no one knows what happened before the Big Bang. Still, that doesn&#8217;t mean that someday we might not know. And it certainly doesn&#8217;t mean that anything supernatural caused it. That would be falling on the fallacy of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps" target="_blank">god of the gaps</a>. The great thing about science is that they keep asking questions and looking for answers. It is a never-ending quest. Scientists don&#8217;t just throw up their hands and give up when things get tough and say well, then god did it. So far all the answers are completely natural. I can&#8217;t stress that enough.</p>
<p>And no, science never said that nothing is infinite. In fact, I would remind you that matter can never be destroyed. It just gets converted to energy. And time is just a concept that we use to make our lives easier. It&#8217;s very real to us, but don&#8217;t forget the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity" target="_blank">theory of relativity</a>.</p>
<p>3. What happens when we die? We die. Our consciousness dies with the death of our brain. There is no evidence of life after death. It&#8217;s all completely anecdotal. While it may seem frightening, you didn&#8217;t exist for billions of years before you were born. So when you die, you will again cease to exist. It&#8217;s really not much of a mystery. It just seems strange because we have so many myths that cling to the idea of life or lives after death. Again, there is no evidence that our consciousness is eternal. You&#8217;ve got one precious life. Make the most of it here and now!</p>
<p>4. I would also call myself a gnostic atheist. I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that we live in a completely natural universe. I am confident that there are no gods or supernatural beings or phenomena in the world.</p>
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